virgosrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CUMAN%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S8TH47D28KC78JQKA%2CS29QH5JQAD36QC356%2CS6KH2689D459TC24T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+3%2B+%21H%3B+3%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP+%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C6%2B+%21C%3B+14-16+HCP%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C11-16+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C2-+%21C%3B+3%2B+%21D%3B+3%2B+%21H%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] You decide...... vrock

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Please look at my response to this post Abbess. I almost think 2H is brilliant by GIBBO. vrock

choices for GIBBO: 1. initial pass. violates neg dbl since has 4H 2. after 2C. cant bid 3C shows 4C. 2NT seems not right with the stiff dA. Strong communication problems - pard has minimum. Can't pass with 10 HCP. 3. Is 2H constructive? Yes, I think. If had 10+ "points and 5+ H would have bid 2H to start with. Thus 3D seems right by lycier. Thoughts? vrock

sound words sfi. fully agree. Will avoid you if I see you on money bridge. LOL vrock

Excellent, Stephen. Particularly: 1. what if pd passes 2Hx 2. Hand intending to bid 5C may as well bid 3D. No excuse for passing 4NT. This part is egregious because happens too often. vrock.

smerriman, where do you find such detailed explanations? VERY curious. I have not seen such details in previous hyperlinks you have posted. vrock

zhas i think you are missing the explanation of 3H. It shows two spades. Has nothing to do with hearts. My question is whether I should bid 3H which shows, again, 2 spades. Whether aggressive or not is a different matter. vrock

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agree with steve. we had discussed similar overcalls before in another post. Only help I can see is for GIBBO pard to bid 2S which seems extremish and not quite sure whether it will show thrice rebiddable forcing to grand slam!!! LOL. But the pass of 1S is perfect by GIBBO. YOu could be sitting with KJTxxx and an ace. vrock

You have said similar before smerriman. So the Rule is if last bid and current bid are both 4+ 4+ GIBBO will pass because undefined. Pathetic!!!! vrock

It has occurred with frightening regularity Badger. No fix. And if you bid 5D you end up in 6 or GIBBBO doubles their cold contract. vrock

Seriously! just two programmers working occasionally to fix bugs. The problem is gigantic!! vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CHUMAN%2Cvirgosrock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S79JKH89JDTQC367Q%2CS3QH57TAD458C259J%2CSTH24QD23679JKC4T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+12%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C2-+%21S%3B+6-11+HCP%3B+12-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+2-4+%21C%3B+2-4+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+5+%21S%3B+17-18+HCP%3B+22-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Can%7C5-+%21H%3B+2-+%21S%3B+8-11+HCP%3B+12-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cmc%7C6%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] I hovered over 3H, showed 2+S and I wondered and wondered. In retrospect I should have but then 2NT...... Your thoughts? vrock

To all responders thus far. My focus is GIBBO's pass of 4 NT, not my double not my 4 NT. vrock

I'd be curious to see the results of a poll of top players on this overcall. now if you do 1d-2c on shaded values i can see it. you force the negative double. if you overcall 1c with 1s with shaded values I can see it since you are again forcing the negative double. vrock

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It also places some degree of length and hcp. Which is a BIG negative. vrock

oh! I see it now. 1d-p-1d instead of 1d-p-1s. You could have said that LOL. Us aging 2-finger typists may occasionally make these mistakes PLUS s and d are right next each other on the keyboard. vrock

Yup. Actually ran into 28-30 hcp and bid 2c-2D-4NT. I think the folks who did not do this just got lucky. Now whether GIBBO should bid 6D is another matter. Or even 5D. I would bid 5D and hope GIBBO bids 6D. Unless 5D is some weird transfer. vrock

Kudos to http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/user/8688-sfi/ for leading a spade. Brilliant and after-the-fact "obvious". Badger's gut feel perfect. Perhaps gut feel is because it was posted as a problem. btw, other than a low-level NT by them, specifically 1NT actually, there is NO concept of leading dummy's first bid suit in GIBBO's abysmal Bidding World. here is the hand in all its glory. I tend to suspect declarer is a lunatic. Another clue from the bidding is it looks like declarer was merely waiting to hear spade from dummy. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CSUB_HUMAN%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S6HQKAD35TQKC57QA%2CS2358TH2489JD26C2%2CS479JQHTDJAC468JK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne+over+one+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+6%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CJump+in+notrump+--+2-4+%21C%3B+3-5+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+18-19+HCP%3B+22-+total+points%3B+partial+stop+in+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%21%7Can%7CNew+minor+forcing+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+7%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7CBlackwood+%28C%29+--+4-+%21C%3B+4-5+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+19+HCP%3B+biddable+%21C%3B+3-card+%21D%3B+22+total+points%3B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7CTwo+or+five+key+cards%3B+no+queen+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+7%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6N%7Can%7CSignoff+--+4-+%21C%3B+4-5+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+19-+HCP%3B+biddable+%21C%3B+3-card+%21D%3B+22+total+points%3B+two+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C13%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Kicking myself in rump. This is why we play bridge. To punish ourselves. vrock

not sure what is not clear in the posted auction. Let's try again. We pass throughout. 1d-1s-2nt-3c(nmf)-4nt(rkc clubs per blurb)-5H-6NT does this help? vrock

Sorry should really not post this here but so interesting and I am starting to recognize names of frequent responders/post-ers. you hand is 5521 spades headed by ten (no 9), hearts headed by jack (no ten), rags in d and c. righty deals and opens 1d-p-1d-p-2NT-p-3c(nmf)-4NT(rkc in c)-5h-6nt. i'll post the full hand once i get responses. Your lead? vrock

Correct Steve. My concern is not the result as much as the description of the 4NT which I don't remember now but quite sure it was not 3+d. And then my 5d described as 15-17 "points" cheers vrock

Seems obvious right Steve! Thus it is not going to happen. LOL Bidding System is broke and they can't fix it however many patches they do. Though if chess software can be designed to world class level why not bridge bidding? I mean at every stage you have a choice .. oh! screw it. I don't think I have enough chess knowledge LOL vrock