virgosrock

it didnt matter on a HQ lead. I think this is not a valid "bug". It is not even a "bug". Just bridge. vrock

Sounds good. (though I have not encountered GIB bidding again after preempting. vrock

Is looking like the 6NT bidder was a GIB. Would be nice to get that clarification. vrock

Because it thinks 22+15=37. A critical King could be missing since 3 points missing. I dont agree with 1H-6NT especially since a simple 2C is available as GF. vrock

thanks jdonn. Is it THAT difficult to put a software wrapper at the output which correlates blurb and bid? vrock

what happened here? GIBBO bid 6NT? i.e. 1h-6NT ? vrock

maybe GIBBO got tired discarding or did not watch the discards. Though facetious, I have VERY often suspected it is out of compute resources and chooses less dicriminately. vrock

1c/1d/1h-1s-1nt for example by opps and then p-p-x in GIB World asks for spade lead. If 1NT forcing the x is takeout. If not forcing it is not defined since GIBBO won't understand it. vrock

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i think a human should pass, too. vrock

I wonder if the c5 discard instead of count led GIBBO astray. Od course defensive signalling is so arbitrary. A crazy mix of attitude and count. vrock

"normal?" "GIBBO?" Bet in GIBBO system notes it is a normal takeout double. It has no sense of negative inferences. vrock

I was fortunate. Note has 3 clubs, shows 4+ C. Has 14 HCP shows 17+ HCP. Shows 18-19 "points" the worst concept ever invented. Unfortunately does go down 500 so GIBBO was right as it turns out. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Chelge+egil%2Cvirgosrock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S458TH78D46C245JK%2CS9JKAH2TKD357QAC8%2CS3H359JQAD89KC39A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+poi%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7C6%2B+%21H%3B+17-+HCP%3B+12-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C4%2B+%21S%3B+6-10+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+Q%2B+in+%21D%3B+16-18+total+poin%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C4%2B+%21S%3B+6-8+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+18%2B+HCP%3B+Q%2B+in+%21D%3B+18-+tot%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+6%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+17-+HCP%3B+18-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] GIBug - if your hand does not match the bidding blurb stfu vrock

THose situations would be outliers and I don't think GIBBO can/should handle them. vrock

Plus it would be REALLY nice to let this forum know when a bug is fixed and what was the new Rule that came out of the bug. vrock

Also the negative inference that partner did not bid 2D over 2C so partner cannot have 10+ "points". Horribly programmed for bidding. vrock

Whatever GIBBO is used for money bridge, leads are great, defense mostly accurate, screwing up opponents communications excellent, negative inferences available when it won't lead the suit you overcall - either it has length or void. Goes off the rails when opponents bid deceptively, which I do at risk because my partner is GIBBO. it is the BIDDING which is PATHETIC. vrock

Looks like sarcasm. If so, Over 1d or 1H opening I stretch to bid 2C because it is preemptive, possibly forces a negative or support double. Yes, you could go for a number. I have, rarely. This time the club suit is good and spades are QJxx. Hopefully that addresses sarcasm, if intended, as it pertains to virgosrock's bidding. thanks vrock

Yes, maybe that is the issue. Well filtered to get to the nub of the problem. maybe the concept of balancing does not exist in GIBBO. thanks vrock

No offense intended. vrock

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yes. i use it against GIBby to throw its lead calculations off. works sometimes. vrock

thanks sm. 2NT when? vrock

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The Abbess. I have watched Zia and heavy money bridge hitters at the Cavendish in NY City. The play Chicago 4 deals at a time. I was quite surprised at the down 1 and down 2 scores I saw. Of course MP is a different ball game. I generally consider GIBBO's defense to be quite good especially the way it screws up opponents' entries and communication. It is the BIDDING which is pathetic. vrock