virgosrock

you are 4th to bid at fav vul. 1S-p-4S to you. 4S is GIBBO preemptive almost 100% of the time your hand Q AQJ92 KT4 K863 your bid? vrock

I think the problem is the pass and murder partner approach. This is VERY common. Maybe the bug is if you have passed now downplay your points when partner takes action. How many times have we been in either play 4C or be in 6C. vrock

apologies to you and smerriman for re-posting this issue. I actually was pleasantly surprised to see the 4NT blurb say 18+ and 5C+ and 5d+ which i had not seen before. I do have in my gmail atleast 10,000 emails from the last decade filled with choice epithets to support@bbo.com. Quite a few had this 4NT nonsense. vrock

good point sfi. i think we are too attuned to leading pards suit in real life which is why we do it. in RAMBBO's case there is another slight negative inference. Sylvester GIBBOne comes into competitive auctions supporting pd's suit at 3 level when loaded in "their" suit. vrock

agree about slam try manu. lead a spade they make it. lead diamond they down 2. on what basis to lead diamond and not spade ? vrock

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[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVIRGoSrock%2CYouMun%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4SH4KD246QAC4568QA%2CS567H7JQAD359JKC7%2CS289TKH69TD8TC29T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+14%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CUnusual+notrump+overcall+--+5%2B+%21C%3B+5%2B+%21D%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7CPreemptive+raise+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+9-+HCP%3B+6%2B+to%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7C5%2B+%21C%3B+5%2B+%21D%3B+18%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] in this case I suppose 4NT pass is ok. Problem I have is both dbl and 5C show 25+. I cant bid either because who knows what RamBBO will do. So I marked time with 4NT which was 18+ hoping... I think dbl and 5c should be 18+. vRock

sounds like deep stuff manastorm. could you provide a couple of examples? thanks vrock

Thank You Sir Jdonn vrock

Am ok with the 3H jdonn. it is the blurb for 3cx that bothers me. "biddable clubs" vrock

would 2S be MSS in GIBBO world? vrock

what did the bidding blurb show for 4NT? If undefined RamBBO will usually pass. vRock

what did 3C bidding blurb show? vrock

RamBBO generally is fine in slam bidding EXCEPT the instances where ir assumes stuff in your hand and makes insane jumps to 6 NT. VROCK

:) Steve. Indeed RAMBBO ignores lead directing doubles usually when has 3+ in partner suit. Has worked out ok once you know it. The more irritating case is 1c-1s-1nt by them. pass-pass-dbl by you where blurb says penalty lead spades and it does not. I have even started ignoring where RAMBBO's double says biddable or rebiddable. vrock

x again better. what was blurb for 4nt ?

my bad. did not notice 3S had H support. sorry. vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CHuman%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S23QH34KD34TC347K%2CS458TJKH256D58CTJ%2CS69H89TD679KAC9QA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7CWeak+two+bid+--+1-4+%21C%3B+1-3+%21D%3B+1-3+%21H%3B+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3-5+%21C%3B+3-5+%21D%3B+3-4+%21H%3B+2-+%21S%3B+13%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CLebensohl+-+Forces+3C+by+partner+--+9-+t%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CTransfer+completed+--+3-5+%21C%3B+3-5+%21D%3B+3-4+%21H%3B+2-+%21S%3B+13-18+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C15%2B+HCP%3B+biddable+%21C+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C3-5+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+3-4+%21H%3B+2-+%21S%3B+biddable+%21D%3B+13-18+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C2%2B+%21D%3B+15%2B+HCP%3B+biddable+%21C+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C1-4+%21C%3B+1-3+%21D%3B+3+%21H%3B+6%2B+%21S%3B+10-+HCP%3B+7%2B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C2%2B+%21D%3B+1%2B+%21S%3B+15%2B+HCP%3B+biddable+%21C%3B+18-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C8%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] In particular note the blurb for 3Cx and the 3H bid. vrock

to me it seems many many competitive bidding by GIBBO is severely flawed. e.g. 4D here is bizarre. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVIRGoSrock%2CPoorHuman%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S46TJKH6D57KC578A%2CSH29TJD26TJAC46TJ%2CS38H457QD348C39QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7CForcing+one+notrump+--+3-+%21S%3B+6%2B+HCP%3B+12-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CNew+suit+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+3-+%21H%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+11%2B+HCP%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+5-+%21C%3B+4%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+14-16+total+points%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C2-3+%21S%3B+6%2B+HCP%3B+11-+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C4%2B+%21H%3B+10%2B+HCP%3B+11-16+total+points%3B+forcing+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+3-+%21H%3B+rebiddable+%21S%3B+16-18+total%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4D%7Can%7CCue+bid+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+10%2B+HCP%3B+11-16+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] vrock

yes, opening lead from KQx is usually a disaster. vrock

almost never opening leads from KQx. don't know about why not cJ. usually will lead from a sequence down to 4+ cards. re "no-brainer". does not have a brain as we know brains. was not fully tested before releasing bidding module. and the fixes are too many to make. extreme hands, forget it. vrock

GIB has led low from (T,J,Q)x many many times. there seems to be no correlation with bidding. rarely in the middle of a hand. mostly opening leads. If has 3 cards x+1, x, low, will play low first then x+1. I tried same in human rubber bridge and partner was totally pissed off. some crazy kind of present count. Its out-of-the-blue cuebids when no fit has been found drive you insane. If you are a passed hand you will survive GIB when you overcall. If not a passed hand it will punish you. I would recommend to not quit GIB. It has become substantially better than 10 years ago. It is a genius with doubled contracts. It is a genius with disrupting communications when on defense. Ah! yes when on lead with HonorX in GIB's twice bid suit, lead low not high. for example LOL [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CLuckyHuman%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4SH49TQAD28JC48TJK%2CS9KH3678D35AC256Q%2CS6TQAH25JD46TC379%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+6%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CTwo-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+10%2B+HCP%3B+11-18+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C3%2B+%21H%3B+7-10+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C6%2B+%21S%3B+21-+HCP%3B+15-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C5%2B+%21H%3B+16-18+total+points%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C2%2B+%21S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7C5%2B+%21H%3B+17%2B+HCP%3B+18+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C2%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+10%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cmc%7C10%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] vrock

And this is how you get screwed....... I know you "real men" might bid 5D right off the bat but..... [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CLuckyMan%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S28HTKD2489TJQKCA%2CS357TJQKH247ADC8T%2CS9H358QD37AC379JQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7CAggressive+weak+jump+overcall+--+7%2B+%21S%3B+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cmc%7C10%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] 5D blurb is 21+HCP and who knows what the Idiot is going to do so you grit your teeth and pass. Double swing, more so in MoneyBridge depending on stake. What is the bug? In such auctions GIBBO to PASS since pard is wide-range. vrock

With spade Axx I would bid 3 NT since I can duck twice. I still think in GIBBO system I should bid 4H. 3NT needed too many right cards I thought. thanks for the suggestions :) vrock

yes i noted that too but was irrelevant in context. vrock