virgosrock

In this case steve2005 I am gonna side with GIB. Over 2d it cannot bid h or s having shown those already. 3d might be silly so 3C is the only bid left. In case you have long clubs Kx is good support. Also, the good books say when you have 2 4-4 fits go for the weaker fit so you don't run into ruffs in the other case. Note here with a HQ lead in 4S tough time bringing in the extra trick. vrock

Could you re-phrase Steve2005. Tough to understand. thanks vrock

this is the part BBO does not get. That users want to smash their computers preceded by disgust. There is probably a battery of lawyers telling them "Well, it is a free site. You play at your own risk". I have run into same problem where it will bid with a 4 card suit at a high level. Please post the hand. Could well be GIBBO's bidding "RULES" were not followed. My sympathies for what they are worth. vrock

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Hi steve2005 you have said "duplicate" before. Does this mean this issue is a repeat? How do I check if this is a repeat if I have just joined the forum? thanks vrock

your input appreciated. vrock

keeping in mind all of GIBBO's idiocies, it cant apply both the LAW and 13-15 "points". vrock

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Methinks we need to determine the "points" range and hcp range for 4S by GIBBO. maybe smerriman/Stephen Tu can shed some light on that. I think it is likely to be 13-15 "points" and 3+ spades which would explain GIBBO's pass. Human thinking would say bid 4S but GLOBBY is not human. I was wrong in thinking "points" are applicable only when a fit is found. http://www.bridgebase.com/doc/gib_system_notes.php "HCP vs Total Points Gib uses both old fashioned HCP (A=4, K=3, Q=2, J=1)) and “Total points” (HCP+3 for void, 2 for singleton, 1 for doubleton, but short suits containing an honor are reduced by 1 point). It will usually force to game if it thinks it has 25 Total Points between the two hands." Though I 100% remember from a long time ago I read A=8points, K=4 points, Q=2 points AND applicable when fit is found. Looks like this has changed since then. What does "short suits .... are reduced by 1 point" mean? If I have HonorX where X=A,K,Q,J what does it mean? The GIBug fix here is if you were going to bid 4S over 2H or 3H (which it does often) then bid same over 4H as well. Lucky you managed to get to 4S :) vrock

VERY bizarre. When you have 5+ 5+ for some reason the second suit always becomes "twice re-biddable" and GIBBO NEVER makes the right choice. It always assumes some canape crap almost. If it has stiff NEVER believes you have double stopper. Will take it out usually into the wrong place. my sympathies. vrock

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HI Steve2005 I did not understand either of your responses. Please clarify. thanks vrock

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Here are the verbatim quotes "I was checking this more often, but I got sick of some of the rudeness frankly. I may not respond to threads with mocking like LOL or insults like calling GIB an idiot," "The report is very rude. I don't mind that someone is frustrated, but if it involves cursing and insults toward BBO, or me, or Fred, or whatever, I will ignore it immediately, without apology." I'd rather bugs be fixed asap instead of time being wasted on purity of quotes. I am VERY happy BBO is being heard from. Yuck!! ending in a preposition. The feedback provided is heartening. thanks vrock

awesome jdonn. is there a problem releasing the fix right away or is there regression testing going on for this fix. thanks vrock

Thanks Nick. Fascinating. vrock

sm, could you address whether "points" become valid only when a fit has been found> thanks vrock

agreed jdonn. i was trying to say GIBBO bid is ok. Sorry if I didn't make it clear. bid may not be "safe" but it is ok. no fix necessary. vrock

I read 12-19 points and 17- hcp. From the little I read "points" become relevant when a fit has been found. No fit has been found. It has 10 hcp which fit the 17- hcp criterion but where are the 12-19 "points"? I should have mentioned to jdonn that perhaps the only improvement needed is GIB read its own blurbs but somewhere in the software blurbs and bidding are so tightly integrated they cannot be separated out easily. They perhaps are the same "thing". vrock

with 6 d 4 h with AK and AQ respectively and a stiff club (not counting cQ hcp) I take a change 1c-1s-2h plus the reverse sequence is defined quite well. GIB mostly will not hang you when reverse is weakish vrock

Hmmm... Badger I did not run into this one in Indian English nor in American English. What is the etymology or entymology? I just forget which one is birds and which one is words LOL vrock

Mostly right Stephen. Given I am the only one complaining about MB AND there are thousands of complaints not related to MB, how many, besides me, would you ask to quit with the same arguments made for MB? That is the crux. Seems like a blanket "if you don't like it quit". Which is what BBO is relying on - if you don't like it quit and one day when our income - MB or otherwise - starts to go down, we'll address these issues. Seems like support for BBO's philosophy. vrock

Had been planning to respond to smerriman's excellent post for some time. I think I want to respond to jdonn's post first. Sadly, jdonn's post reflects arrogance - "I will not look at" "I will not tolerate" blah blah. I have been an EE Prof, experienced hardware and software engineer in very hi-tech industry. Instead of arrogance, you sift out the relevant and make your decisions about when/whether/how to fix which would be a professional attitude. How much more do you need to decide people are VERY frustrated with GIBidding and it seems normal they should vent. And this is exacerbated in MoneyBridge where money flows out and there is NO recourse or post-adjustment. This is like Verizon saying you gave us a rude review, we will not fix it. Nonsense. Be professional. Started my MB journey about about Sep 2007. Since then 1300 or so emails to BBO support. ONCE, only ONCE, Udai Ivatury made a $10 adjustment otherwise just a canned response. ZERO recourse. After about 200+ such emails my language became rude and Obnoxious and diana_eva emailed me "we have ladies working for us". All my emails are in my email client. I was frustrated with the total lack of response from BBO about fixes. Of course some may not have been valid. I went cold turkey in 2013 except sporadically playing tournaments. Came back in May 2017 since stopped working. I will admit I felt GIBBO had improved but then slowly it seems to have regressed. I have admiration for GIBBO's play and leads are excellent even though it sometimes goes off the rails. Defensive carding is abysmal. Some mixture of count and attitude which it violates at will. e.g. It has A53 I have KQx. Wins lead and play 5, declarer J i take q and now i am stuck. play back something else and they make. Or suit preference when giving a ruff. NEVER. Sure things can be worked out somehow but suit pref has been around for ages and works. And I will present this gem from 9/4/08: "As a bridge player (and sometimes rubber bridge player) who has played a lot of hands against GIB myself, I can certainly understand the frustration you have obviously experienced when your GIB partner's poor bridge decisions cost you money. That being said, your suggestion that BBO refund a substantial % of your entry fees in order to make up for this is very unfair to both BBO and to your opponents." And there the matter rests vrock

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