virgosrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CHUMAN%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S25H8QD2TKAC367JK%2CS89AH356JKD4QC25A%2CS36TKH279TD56C48T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C2-+%21H%3B+9-11+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+15+HC%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C4%2B+%21D%3B+2-+%21H%3B+9-11+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Can%7C5-6+%21H%3B+4-+%21S%3B+15+HCP%3B+16%2B+total+points%3B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C4%2B+%21D%3B+2+%21H%3B+9-11+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] The d suit was not good enough to bid at 2-level but good at the 3 level 'cos club suit was sketchy and blurb promised c stopper. Potential 3NT missed Vulnerable and further, 4 undertricks also vulnerable. $5 or so @0.5 cents a point vrock

Does GIBBO know about Kelsey's Law of Vacant Places? was it place or space? I forget. To me after playing Money Bridge on BBO ad nauseum it would seem the solution is simple. "Look at my hand/HCP. If this does not match the Blurb do something else". Not sure if can be implemented in software - should be. This takes care of a lot of problems people are seeing. The Blurb Engine and Bidding Engine don't communicate. vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cnniranjan5%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S3JAH458D78JC358Q%2CS45678HTJDTC46TJK%2CSTQKH679QD2KAC279%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21D%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+6-10+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C6%2B+%21D%3B+17-+HCP%3B+10-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C5%2B+%21C%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+10+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C11-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C6%2B+%21D%3B+17-+HCP%3B+10-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] you decide. 3 bids on that d suit. first ok. second borderline. third time after pds double - pathetic! Oh! the loss is probably $8 or $9 or something like that @0.5 cents. This is why I stopped playing @2 cents because it hurts that much more. vrock

Before I respond, are you, Stephen, part of the programming team? vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_BOT%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S37JAH3478QD27JCJ%2CS248H59TD8C2567TQ%2CS9KH2KAD569TKC34A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+2%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+3%2B+%21H%3B+3%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C11-16+total+points%3B+forcing%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+2-5+%21C%3B+2-5+%21D%3B+2-3+%21H%3B+2-3+%21S%3B+12%2B+total+points%3B+stop+in+%21D+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Blurb said 2NT is 12 total points stop in D and there the matter rested. Vul game missed @0.5 cents a point. Do the Math :) GIBBO has 17 HCP. Somebody figure out the Rule. I can't. There seems to be no consonance between GIBBO bid and the blurb. For instance a modicum of Artificial Intelligence would say "I have 17 HCP, My blurb says 12+ points" Maybe that is the problem. No consonance between Blurb and Bid. I think I said this 6 years ago too as "GIBBO does not read its own blurbs". vrock Just another $4

Who is going to tell GIBBO it has made a mistake? vrock

HAND #1 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_GIBBO%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S258H3TJD58TJAC5Q%2CS347JH78AD36C78JK%2CSTQKH459QKD7C2469%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne+over+one+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+11-+HCP%3B+6-12+tot%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTwo+suit+takeout+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+11-+HCP%3B+12+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cr%21%7Can%7CSupport+redouble+-+3+S+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+3+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cmc%7C7%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] You hear the redouble on your right and start shaking and trembling because 2H is 4+ per blurb so you cant bid 2H and if you pass idiot will PASS. So you say to yourself they are non-vul, opponent is a friend. What is $2.62 between friends. and idiot passes and you go for $2.62. Thank yourself NO overtricks. In a subhuman/superhuman/human game I would have bid 2H in a flash. So! the RULE should be for this situation responder is 3+ in suit bid not 4+ Hand #2 [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_BOT%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S46KH468JD4QKC56T%2CS5H39TD268TC279JK%2CS2378THAD379JAC8A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+9%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CTwo-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+10%2B+HCP%3B+11-18+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7CFree+major+raise+--+3%2B+%21S%3B+6-10+total+po%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+Q%2B+in+%21D%3B+16-18+total+points%3B+forcing+to+3S+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21S%3B+8%2B+HCP%3B+9-10+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+5-+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21H%3B+5-+%21S%3B+18+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+9-+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cmc%7C8%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Do you double 5C? GIBBO in the past has made such doubles with 6S, 5D or other weird shapes. So you bite the bullet and pass 300 instead of 800 @$0.5 you do the math. You thank yourself for a plus and move on. vrock

true. @rubber bridge 2H every time. Negatives here were 2 aces, no AT9... in hearts, 4 spades etc. Note in this case if I bid 2H they would still reach 3NT and now GIBBO might faithfully lead a heart and defense is over. vrock

johnu how do you invoke the hand editor. particularly with respect to money bridge hands which are available only here http://www.bridgebase.com/mp/mb/mbactivity.php thanks vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cmister_jon%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S379AH24689AD8C8T%2CS45JH7JKD45TQCJKA%2CS68TQH5TD267KC24Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+9%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7Cnotrump+opener.+Could+have+5M.+--+2-5+%21C%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Can%7C2-5+%21C%3B+2-5+%21D%3B+2-4+%21H%3B+2-4+%21S%3B+10-11+HCP%3B+12-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] this will help GIB if S9 on GIBBO right and other things. How do you think I should have defended? Just another 3NT VUL made. Just another $3.17 vrock

methinks GIBBO would as well double with 10 HCP and 3433 - has done it in my experience. I concluded therefore it is more about the 10 HCP than penalty with cards in opps suit. So an out is needed for GIBBOs pard. methinks the fix is 4C is 5+C 5+D and whatever points but is stronger than 3C. Or that weird 3H cuebid. Yes, in this case we might get a hefty penalty and not risk going overboard. I'd love to hear experts on this. vrock

Top players have a systems book which they are required to provide to opponents which could be 60-100 pages. We don't have that luxury. vrock

ok wrong use of "cold". sorry. What is the "std" treatment in such cases? Partner did not pass 2S hence has something to say. System has essentially restricted partner from 4C jump. 3H is only possibility. Jumping to 5C who knows with GIBBO who is likely to pass as it does most of the time. vrock

zhasbeen be careful about these penalty doubles by GIBBO. vrock

1. "The double is a penalty double". Yes I was aware and blurb confirmed same. Historically the hands that GIBBO doubles on, in my experience, is quite wide. In some cases they have made the doubled contract or gone for a small penalty. Looking back I could have cue bid 3h which on the face of it seems weird. I tried 4c which was something ridiculous like 3+ d and rebiddable clubs, and the usual 11-21. Plus severe complications when one starts with a D and then bids Clubs. GIBBO makes weird assumptions about lengths after that. Generally assumes clubs MUCH longer. PLUS passing with this 2056 shape is a recipe for GIBBO disaster. It will pass. 2. "6C is hardly cold". Yes anything could happen. But that does not prevent us from bidding them. 3. I am concerned about the impatient tone in your reply. We are dealing with a machine that bids on Rules. These Rules are necessary but clearly not sufficient. Long ways to go. vrock

[hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cmmsbridge%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S9KHD346JQAC69TJK%2CS478QH357KAD9C358%2CS356AH289TQD7KC4Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+11%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C2D%21%7Can%7CMichaels+--+3-+%21C%3B+3-+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21H%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CPenalty+double+--+10%2B+HCP+%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C2%2B+%21S+%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C5%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+twice+rebiddable+%21C%3B+3%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cmc%7C12%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] OR http://tinyurl.com/y829tu5k since too many plusses to replace with blanks. On Firefox anyways. Will try Chrome next time I blurbed jump to 4C. Weird explanation with 3+ d etc. Rule should be the doubler MUST bid once more. Similar to non-forcing 2/1 where responder showed 10+ hcp and guaranteed another bid. vrock

excellent line Stephen. I guess GIB tried same line but assumed 6D with diamond overcaller. vrock

great notion johnu. Except for doubled contracts where GIBBO is masterful LOL. vrock

yes, i play it that way. with GIBBO I tend to not say "always" though thinking back 3S here is "always "4+ spades". In some sense you have denied spades with your 2NT instead of 2S, GIBBO still bids out shape maybe because there is a stiff club and it caters to the club being 6543 or something like that. Who knows? vrock

again, assuming 4H is a splinter more reason to bid only 5D. The 4S convince GIB there are a lot of points. vrock

and whatever. I think the duck is a must. vrock

GIBBO was declarer not I. duck d. next d in GIB hand. cQ ducked (maybe). CT (should not duck). D to K in dummy. cash 2 clubs. now spade ten. i think GIBBO will duck spade 10 but one never knows. If c ten is ducked afetr cq is ducked H ten from hand. vrock

I am assuming 4H is a splinter. If so, sign off in 5D holding wasted values opposite a splinter and GIBBO's strength unknown. Methinks GIB will bid 6D. vrock

smerriman i have a favor to ask. can you run a simulation of GIB play 40 times, once with simple BOT, once with advanced BOT and post the play results? If you don't have the time I have plenty of time to do it if you can show me the methodology. thanks vrock

giving tinyurl first since my hv= has problems with bidding blurbs. http://tinyurl.com/y946azze [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CNOT_GIB%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S4TH68JAD37KC38JA%2CS38H2KD59TJQC245K%2CS6JQAH347TD26ACTQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21D%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CNegative+double+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+7%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+3%2B+%21H%3B+11%2B+HCP%3B+12-17+total+point%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3N%7Can%7C4-5+%21H%3B+4-5+%21S%3B+14-21+HCP%3B+likely+stop+in+%21D+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Blurb shows 3NT as 14-21. OK why quibble over 1 HCP since GIB has 13 HCP. I did not notice 1H is 3+ but that is still irrelevant. Did not convert to 4H since a D ruff may happen. To me the play is quite simple. Duck first D, take next in hand and club finesse. Later can take spade hook into safe hand. Am I missing something? Perhaps GIB decided on the bidding spade King would be onside. Just another $2.27 (including table fee) swing. vrock