On that layout don't we both run into a ruff? You're playing a club to dummy, taking a ruffing diamond finesse, and then trying to get back with another club, aren't you? The second club will be ruffed, and you'll be forced to lead spades from hand, reaching the same position as me. I'm starting to really regret that optimistic 4NT bid. oh wow i thought we had a 53 club fit lol oh he changed the hand on me, see his edit.