pooltuna

choices appear to be 3♣, X, and pass. As you hint partner's shape looks to be 4(5)5+xy a big misfit all around. So I will pass this round and save the X for LHO's 3NT call.

tell your story as fast as you can so 3♥ but no real quibble with 1♥

Yes I have something to say and that would be "good luck partner" :)

I pretty much agree with everyone else in the forum to this point and think whoever told you you need 4 of oM is bonkers but then I routinely X with 4333 where 4 is in the opps suit. Nevertheless I still don't like entering the second auction but probably find it less distasteful than others.

Depends on your doubling structure if you can double and later bid say 2♥ to show this type of hand it possibly reduces the range for 2♥ overcalls. If you now have to bid 2♥ with this hand and with [hv=s=st83hkq862d32cajt]133|100|[/hv] that puts a lot of pressure on partner to support and he has no clue when he is right. ew. Nothing about that hand suggests a 2♥ overcall to me. Are you driving a bandwagon and expecting for everyone to jump on? :P

Depends on your doubling structure if you can double and later bid say 2♥ to show this type of hand it possibly reduces the range for 2♥ overcalls. If you now have to bid 2♥ with this hand and with [hv=s=st83hkq862d32cajt]133|100|[/hv] that puts a lot of pressure on partner to support and he has no clue when he is right.

and how would 4NT be different over 4♠ after you splintered in ♦ or would 4♦ be natural? It wouldn't. So what's the point in splintering if I'm taking charge of the hand anyway? If you can never imagine partner being involved in the final decision none. And why ask, just bid 6♠ unless you really think he will show up with a 5♠ call or if you plan to bid 7♠ over a 5♥ call.

with this contol rich hand just raise his positive ♥ response to 3♥ and let the qbidding begin

I don't get this at all, is this supposed to be sportsmanship? I'm sure he meant it nicely but it seems very obnoxious to me. I was thinking of a better word than "obnoxious". Maybe patronizing. Maybe, "you ain't gonna win anyway, so take that." repeat the trump finesse :)

yep same background noisemakers as in the "1812 Overture" .

and how would 4NT be different over 4♠ after you splintered in ♦ or would 4♦ be natural?

Those who instinctually double are deluding themselves into believing they are too strong for the opponents to make (their values are too concentrated for them to be so certain) and too balanced to make anything themselves(completely ignoring partner's possible holdings and shortages). In reality you have no clue of exactly what is happening and no real hope of ever being sure at this point in the auction. You can be fairly certain that the premptor probably expects to take 7 tricks for his call and his partner expects to take either 9 or 11+ tricks. If you double what tricks are you (not your partner) realistically expecting to take? A ♠ and a ♥ are reasonable but not certain. In fact it is easy to create layouts where the opponents can take all 13 tricks and where the 5♣ call was a dog walk. The alternative to risking -1150 is to just take insurance in the form of a 5♥ call which has a range of values from 2210(the auction doesn't necessarily end) to -1100. Consequently there is no "right" call. Certainly double could work out well but it could also backfire in your face no matter how verbose it's endorsers become at insisting it is the only correct call.

Are you really demanding that partner bid 3NT with [hv=v=n&s=sxxhaqxdqt9xxckxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Not everyone likes to do that. The way you are complaining about everyone's ignorance about level and scoring is losing you the right to bitch about not being protected; UNLESS you have an agreement that partner MUST protect you and you get to choose willy nilly when you will protect (This is known BTW as the mastermind agreement). Acting over 3♦ is not without risk but you do have a passing RHO and a preempting LHO at unfavorable. If you can't act in most situations in passout seat under those circumstances you need to consider giving up negative doubles over 3 level bids. Sorry if this is coming across as harsh. I just think you are overreacting to what is clearly an ugly choice with a wide divergence of possible outcomes. Possibly a simul can help with odds on the negative side. Do you really think that is a hand partner is likely to hold? no. Do you think it is impossible?

I was recently the responder(victim? I was volunteering as a sub in any tourney or team game that needed one) in an auction that without interference went 1♣ 1♠; 2♠ Opener held the equivalent of (can't remember spots)[hv=s=saqjxhxxdxcaqjxxx]133|100|[/hv] Naturally I could not move and held the ♣ and ♠ Ks. :) Most beginners, intermediates and some advanced don't understand the strength of this hand once it has found a fit. This is what a "convention with no name" 4m call is meant to handle although I am sure I will get disagreement here.

Are you really demanding that partner bid 3NT with [hv=v=n&s=sxxhaqxdqt9xxckxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Not everyone likes to do that. The way you are complaining about everyone's ignorance about level and scoring is losing you the right to bitch about not being protected; UNLESS you have an agreement that partner MUST protect you and you get to choose willy nilly when you will protect (This is known BTW as the mastermind agreement). Acting over 3♦ is not without risk but you do have a passing RHO and a preempting LHO at unfavorable. If you can't act in most situations in passout seat under those circumstances you need to consider giving up negative doubles over 3 level bids. Sorry if this is coming across as harsh. I just think you are overreacting to what is clearly an ugly choice with a wide divergence of possible outcomes. Possibly a simul can help with odds on the negative side.

a) or B ) 6♥

I would settle for 4♠ but no real quarrel with those who like to show xtras

I am addicted to the 554, the 644 and the 734 and not so much to the 8222

So if I understand this correctly, you only want to play 3NT (regardless of how you get there) with the 7 card ♣ suit headed by the AKQ and never play 3NT with the 8 card ♣ suit headed by the AKJT? Are you chiding us for wanting to play 3NT with both?

WHAT!? You are willing to protect your partner???? I don't think that is allowed on this forum :)

this is really, really our hand but I don't have a clear idea of what or how high to bid.

obviously we do not know the Meckwell agreements in place to handle 2♦ Multi. That is not to imply they are "standard"

no third ♥ and no ♣ stopper?

I believe the applicable meta-agreement is "don't preempt over preempts" which can loosely be read as don't bid with a preemptive hand after they preempt. ???? I had always understood that this expression described the definition of jump overcalls after preemptive openings. Consider the following two auction (1♦) - 2♠ (2♦) - 3♠ In the first auction, the jump overcall shows a preemptive hand. In the second auction, the jump overcall shows a strong hand. so WTP in the last auction (2♦) 3♠ you are prevented by agreements from holding the OP's hand or equivalent. What I am saying is you should not even dream of making a 2♠ call with the hand.

North for the first error ...Not Xing 1♠