you have no clue what the right action is, so you pass and see what happens as partner is still there plus LHO will have to act If you think you have no clue now, wait til LHO bids 3♥ and it's your turn. Do you think 4♦ now is a better call than 3♦ immediately? [snip] Maybe we need a lebensohl 2N gadget here: 3♣/♦ forcing and natural and 2N long in a minor, constructive....on second thought...flip this: 2N forcing in a minor, 3minor constructive. I mean, when was the last time anyone had a serious need for a natural 2N here? [snip] depends on how often you expect to hold something like [hv=s=sa7haq6dj854cj642]133|100|[/hv] in this auction. IMO at this point of the auction your expectation is for a part score battle which is another reason to pass as you don't have a clear fit and consequently they probably don't either.