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The reason it should be forcing is that it is extremely unlikely 4C plays better than 3S. It is one level higher. If you have a weak misfit hand, just pass 3s and pray you can make it. Given LHO's preempt, it is more likely that you have a good hand and want to explore slam possibility. Having 4C as forcng will serve you well.

I will bid a practical 6H. I think 3H should be forcing playing Lebensohl. 2H is weak, 2N then 3H should show an invitational hand.

I bid 4D showing 6D+4S. If pd retreats to 4S, I continue with 5H.

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I will bid 2S. This is a tough choice. As many said, good control and JT9 of spade give me reason to be aggressive. But more important is partnership should be more understanding when confront this kind situation. Dbl, 2S or pass could all be right. To argue who is right or wrong is not very productive. Instead, make an agreement what you and pd should bid when similar hand comes up next time.

I think pd should bid 3H over 3D. Yes, it is dangerous, but you donot go all way there to pass with such a hand, right? I would pass with your hand too. It is difficult.

I like 3H. At least it takes off the possible good raise bid by LHO. Now he has to bid 3S with both min and max hand. If I pass, he can raise to 3S with min hand and 3H to show max hand.

Just realized this is MP. This is a hand if you can make 3N, then you can make 4. So if you bid 3N in the previous round then you should bid 4N now. After pd's 4D I will bid 5D.

1D. After 2C it is almost impossible to bid out your shape. I actually think even in precision this kind hand should not open 1C if there is any other bid can handle it.

I know there are many strong players here and there are lots of hidden dragon and crouching tiger around this forum. But this is about logic, not about fame, right? I do care ppl's opinion and I believe I am quite open minded. However, simily claiming 2D is a poor bid wonot convince me. I donot know any strong players personnally, but I would expect few real strong players will say 2D is a poor bid.

looks like I deserve a drink, mike?

If I say passing with this hand is losing bridge, do you find it convincing? IMHO, making this kind claim is pointless. We argue its plus or minus based on analysis and the statistical evidence. Of coz one hand doesnot prove much. But at least it give you some food for thought, isnot it? If you read my post on this thread, you will notice that nowhere I said 2D is a great bid. What I said is that 2D is NOT that bad as many ppl think here. I think it is a difficult bid. Whether overcall 2D is a judgement call. In bridge, judgement call is never black or white.

What? The only way? That seems a bit extreme. Just make a takeout double. 1S=X=2S=X(RESPONSIVE). or 1s=x=3s=p In any case with 9 spades the opp get to 3s. Dbl is an option only if you play ELC. I dont think opp will bid 3S if you dont overcall 2D. Responder has a flat 4333 shape he will not bid 3S without interference.

Disagree Fly. If responder to overcaller has A of D and some scattered values, you are a reasonable bet to make 3NT. Now you have 6 D tricks. Also if partner decides to sacrifice, overcaller has a 6 card D suit, so you figure to take fewer defensive tricks. This is elementary hand evaluation. Note that Luis passes this hand, presumably because his agreements with his partner obviously differ totally from say mine for example. Ron, I agree with you that holding DAx and HKJx there is some chane to make 3N. However, you should not bid more than a raise to 3D. If overcaller has extra, he will take some initiative and make some game try. In that case you can bid 3N. If there is 3N, you wont miss it. Basically, my point is advancer should keeep in mind pd's overcall might be based on a good suit with little else. This will take pressure of the overcaller and hence you will be more happy to overcall, knowing pd willnot hang you up.

I agree that pulling pd's dbl to 4D is a fundemental mistake, i.e., violating partnership trust. He made only a simple raise, yet pd dbled 3S. He has a sure defense trick. He really should not pull pd's dbl. However, I think the dbler should realize that overcalling 2D has already given him an edge over those passers. Pushing Opps to 3S is itself a success. THere is no point to dbl whatsoever. This is the reason why I think dbl is worse than the pull.

Let me try to counter your reasons: 1) It is not extremely likely that we would have a good (= makeable) diamond partscore if LHO says 2♠. 3♦ after a trump lead looks like a no-go (3 hearts, 0 spades, likely 4 diamonds... 2 club tricks are not to be expected easily...). If LHO does NOT say 2♠, our chances to find our makeable partscore are better. 2) Second, you said yourself that you don't overcall for lead purposes, so don't bring that in there :lol:. (BTW, why should your partner lead a club? If your opps end up in 3NT, any sensible partner will try to find your LONG suit - so unless he has more diamonds than clubs, you don't have to fear the club lead. The worst that can happen is that he leads a heart. Of course, if the opponents need hearts to make 3NT, a diamond lead would kill the contract, but how likely is that?) 3) I see the risks of bidding with this hand outweighing the possible gains. Chances that we have a makeable diamond partscore if opps have spade fit are pretty low. Did you realize how many assumptions you have made to get yoru conclusion? They must lead trumps, LHO must have one of SAK, we must play 3D and opp will not bid 3S and opps made right decision. 3D will go down two tricks or 3Dx goes down 1 trick. Pd has three trump only. Pd will find your suit if LHO plays in 3N finally..... Do you think these assumption reasonable? Look at the hand carefully, you will find overcaling 2D is the only way to get you a plus score. Isnot this an enough evidence to support 2D overcall?

To those 2D accuser, I have just one simple question. Did you realized overcalling 2D is the only way to get a plus score? Without 2D, opps will play at 2S. Overcalling 2D and pd's raise pushed Opp to 3S. What is more convincing than the hand itself?

Of coz this is totally different. NOw you must agree that you bid 2D only to find a partscore or suggest a lead in case LHO declares. AND you hope pd will not take you too seriously. Especially, you hope him will not hang you by bidding 3N simply holding DA and say HKJx.

Red vs white, MP, holding, S: KX H: XXX D: KQJXXX C: QX RHO opens 1H, what do you bid? Pass, 2D, 3D?

Not me, ,but at least I agree some extra strrenght for the call has a point, 2HCP far from me for that matter, but its closer than many other 2m overcalls I often see. Some people say 3♦ is not a bad bid, I disagree, any raise that is not a jump should show constructive hand, here its not the case at all, I would say a 4♦ bid is a bit too agressive but coul live with it (note that it will be harder that a direct 4♦ bid will be doubled). I disagree with with this Fluffy. You have 2NT available here as a constructive raise, so 3D just forces the level up one. A serious question I would ask the 2D overcallers - "Why are you bidding?". For the lead? Well you may be on lead and do you really want a D lead? It is a very dangerous bid with a relatively poor D holding and would encourage a decent partner to have a go at 3N with a S stop and a D honour. Chances for ganme for the opponents are poor. You are risking a black eye to nothing. Though I understand your point. Your argument is basically wrong. When OPP opens, the aim of our bid is to win a partscore. This is particularly true in MP. The question of bid for lead is pointless. Why do I overcall 2D? THere are a few good reasons for it. First, we could have a diamond partscore. If you dont bid it, you lose it. The diamond suit is not horribly bad. Second, LHO may play 3N and pd will lead your suit. IN particular you dont like a club lead. Even if RHO declares, you can get some information from whether pd raises you or not. Any competitive bid has its risk. Even one level overcall has its risk. BUt this doesnot mean we should shut up forever. Should I worry that pd will overbid with a spade stopper and a diamond high card and then pass? No, if pd overbid that is his problem. THere are many ways pd could show a good raise or a bad raise and he should not blast to game simply because I overcall. Overcall often shows only a good suit and nothing else. This hand has its flaw, but the high card strength should compensate it.

Bid 4S. You have chance to make it. And you are not sure if you can set 3N.

With the first hand I think you have to bid 3C. With the second hand, it is easy, just bid 3D and bid slowly. Or, if you like, play 4D as RKC for diamond. you have club king so you can ask key cards.

Pass then come in at 3 level is even worse than 2D. Now they exchange enough infomation and will dbl you if they want, or bid 3S.

a) 1. 5D,2.4S,3,Pass. 4. Pass. :) 1=2=3=4=1D

I would not dbl. You need to set them two tricks to score more than 110/130. I think I will take the push. Even it goes down it wont be disaster. IMPs, perhaps pass is better.