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She, not he, please. Sorry, my bad.

Yes, while I think pass is clearcut in Frances's example, she think it is difficult choice. I posted the hand to rec.games.bridge. And most posters seem to agree pass is clearcut. Another difference is with the hand Flame gave here, I think pass or bid 4H is a difficult choice, though now I agree 4H is better. But many posters here think 4H is automatic. I dont agree your last sentence. Pass with balanced hand will often get you a GOOD, not BAD, result. I must point out again that in the context, pd will always have at least one spade, if your opps are adv+.

2H is my choice. I dont look for perfect dummy. Anyone here who dare say they never miss a game or slam in life?

4H is so different from 4C. I agree with you that I would bid 4H with xxxx,xxxxx,xx,xx. 4H is a two way bid, you can make or to save. However, 4C accompolishes nothing. As for 5C or pass pd's dbl, it is debatable. My choice is pass, but that is another story.

With that hand I would still take out to 4clubs. Takeout-takeout doubles. same assumptions. partner is 1444. still think we can take 10 tricks and opp take 8 or we both take 9. Preempts work! 4C is a horrible bid. You would bid 4C with xxxx, xx, xx, xxxxx. Would not you? HOw can pd make an intelligent decision if you bid 4C with both hands?

In this sequence Pd would never be void in spade. What do you bid except pass? Do you bid 3N, 5C? 4C is a very bad bid I am sure you wont even consider it. Yes, preempt works. That is why we have to take some sure plus rather than get pushed every time opp preempt us.

In that case it would be a clear pass.

Good luck. What a pity a natural bidder is leaving. Hope you come back soon. You are young so there is plenty time:) Best wishes Hongjun

Two comments: 1. Please back up your claim with reasoning. 2. I doubt very much your qualification before you learn basic internet social etiquette.

Jimmy, I think 1S should promise 5 cards. If 1S is the right contract, pd can always bid it. 1S is committal while xx is more flexible. xx didnt give up 1s.

Looks like LOTT can help us here. OPPs have 8.5 trumps, we have 8 trumps. SO there is total 16.5 tricks. If we can make 4H, then 3S will be down 2.5 tricks. Considering this hand is too balanced, I would expect we can set them 3 tricks. The more I think of it, the more I believe pass is the right bid. Correct me if I am wrong. Hongjun

I am never a fan of LTC. My opinion is that Lawrence's Hand evaluation is much more helpful. Talking about LTC isolatedly is meaningless. It must be viewed in context.

Well, as so often happens at bridge table, you could save pd for his mistake(assuming he is wrong passing that hand) by opening 1C or 3C.

Donot know if somebody tried this, but how about 1d then rebid 1N showing 14+-16-, and 1N opening showing 12-14-? In this case, 1D is either real suit or quasi-strong NT.

I pretty much agree with this.

Though I would bid 4H as well, I thinnk pass is not a bad option. 3S is certainly down, but not sure we can make 4H. If we can set it 3 tricks, then we can be sured of a good score. Slam? Forget it.

lol.

I will bid 3C, not ideal, but this is the best move I think. If pd rebid 3D, I can bid 3H to show 3card support. If pd bids 3N I will think about that later.

Pd has about 18+ balanced hand. I bid 2N to invite. 3N is not a bad shoot. 2C is completely wrong in strength.

Say you have, S: JX H: JXX D: KJTXX C: XXX You would bid 3D then 3S. Wouldnot you? How can pd make an intelligent decision if your hand can be so different?

Here we agree to disagree:)

You always have time to show the singleton club, but you don't have time to show a 6 card diamond suit. Example: 2c - 2d 2s - 3d 3h - 3s 3n - 4c You showed both a diamond suit, not enough for a direct 2c-3d, 3 card support in spades AND the club control. You can't describe the hand better. Well, if auction preceeds as you planned, that would be great. However things can go in a very different way. First, 3S doesnot show such good support. It only shows spade tolerance. Pd will be very worrying about the trump strength. Second, if pd bid 4S after your 3S, you will be in a very difficult position. DO you bid 5C or not? Do you bid 4N? Do you pass?

Roland, I think you should not bid by your method, you are expected to bid by BBO advanced. Otherwise, any bid could be right in one or another's method. Regards Hongjun And what (where) does BBO Advanced say anything anout the requirements for a splinter on this auction? Roland I dont know. What I know is that splinter Doesnot deny keycard in BBO.

Roland, I think you should not bid by your method, you are expected to bid by BBO advanced. Otherwise, any bid could be right in one or another's method. Regards Hongjun

I think in Fred's articles about 2/1, he mentioned cuebid pd's suit when you hold the queen. This is not a 2/1 sequence, but I thinnk same argument applies here. So I think 4D is the correct bid. Look forward to see Fred's bid, and other experts' vote of course.