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FNJ are not without a cost, the theory beind it is that when you have a one suiter hand you will not lose too much by not being able to bid it, while on the fit hands you will gain more. If you have the natural one suiter hand you will need to either double or pass, and as i said before on theory is you wont lose too much because of it.

Thx, Ben's response was what i was looking for, now does this 4321 or whatever number is use only when opening or for example after a squence like , (1H) p- (3D)* where 3D is bergen and you consider a 4sp with your long spade suit, do you still use this 4321 or this is something totally different .

Suppose you only agreed you play cue bids without much more discussion. I can't imagine that 4♥ is a cue bid. Also is 4♦ a cue bid or is it only looking for best fit? 4D is clear cue bid to me, but i wouldnt try a 4h cue bid unless we discueesed this specific bid. my choices are 4sp, 3nt, (i think i would pass at mp, but not at imp)

maybe you double and then cue bid to show a GF 2 suiter.

How much do you need at each vulnerability ?

4c for me is very offensive bid, should have atleast this ODR KQxx xxx x KQJxx

Can you explain this, what do you mean by normal 2/1 competition ?

I disagree with Ben and Ron, this isnt a hand which i want partner to consider bidding over 5D, i have 3 card spade support, total tricks can be 16,and i have QJ in opponents suit, 3sp might be too high, so why do i think about 5sp ? I would treat this as a 17-18 TT which oviously doesnt mean i am thinking of 5 level. my choices are between double, and 4d. I think i'll choose 4d which is simpler, and probebly best with 18 TT.

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I dont see any special play here, so i would play normal, draw trumps , then a club to the J (this can be better then the Q especially if trumps are 4-0) then A of diamond, and finnese the diamonds (twice if they are 4-0).

I think it doesnt, cant say i tested it, but in my expirence 7-11 come more often then 10+ after both players before you have already bid.

You squeese doesnt work because west can keep the diamonds.

Who said i like it, i honestly dont know which is better, when i started my new partnership we decided to play polish club, at the polish system and NFB was part of the system manual, i also remembered reading rodwell saying its not good with normal opening so i thought maybe with polish its better, also my partner wanted to play it. Now after playing it for a while i think the main benefit is the frequency if hands that fit the NFB which is much higher then those of GF. btw unlike Ben, we play it only at the 2 level, and 3 level are GF. It might be a good idea to play jumps as 1 suiter GF. when playing NFB. NFB are better at mp then imp. at mp i think i can say they are better then PFB, at imp i dont know.

Like The_ hog said they didnt really hate it, maybe just dont like it, also Eric rodwell in his interview to ETM, he said he doesnt like it with non narrow range opening. I currently play it, but i dont like your definiton of it being 6-9, i think playing 6-9 is wrong, you got to play it up to game, something like 7-11, else you will have serious problems with 10-11 hcp hands. Double and then suit must be GF.

The see two problems with playing 4 of our minor, first we can no longer play it as show support and slam interest , asking partner to cue bid, and second today we play GF as being forcing to game including 5m, but i know this is tehoreticly wrong and i hope someday we will need those 4d to be non forcing in many senarions. On the other hand, i really hate the 4h bid, 4d on 4c is much clearer. Thxs for the answers so far, hope to see more, including about the question, does it possible to play at high level of bridge without it ? (i played all my life without it but i mean does say 15% of the world championship partnerships dont have it)

Paul your inferences seems right although i wouldnt say you are even close to be sure about them. Your line when west doesnt cover need spades to be 4-2, because if spades arent good, you cant take ur diamond and play club, because west will take the A of club and the 10 of diamond. you can make it if spades doesnt work, if you play heart to the 10, but maybe this gives you more problems when hearts are 4-1. Anyway i think you are more or less right, but has a feeling you're going down hard , because east will have the A of club.

My partner and i were playing kickback over minor, we needed to define rules to when does 4d/4h is kickback, and didnt do a good job there. We stoped playing kickback after a board which partner opened 1nt, and with 6H-4S i decided to bid 2c stayman, and on 2d i bid 4h, partner thought this 4H is kickback, this really freaked me out, i yelled at him which is something i never do, but saying 4h is kickback was just crazy, and i said no more kickback. Now i wonder is it even possible to play serious bridge without a bid other then 4nt to ask for aces ? I would like to know how you ask for aces over minor and if you have rules for it. Oviously it should be after a real minor bid, but what else ? should it always be with a jump, should we have a raize before ? does it works also in competitve ? what if i bid heart and partner bid diamond, will my heart bid be nat ? And more is it better to play te ace asking with 4 of our minor (like luke does) OR maybe we can play 4d over diamond and 4c over club, or just always 4c. many questions, but not as many as the number of misunderstandings this can bring.

I know some people play g/b on 1h-(2sp) for example the_hog does, maybe 1sp-(2h) isnt too differnt. I play 2nt on both cases to show fit with good odr, not sure its a good idea.

1sp=10-13 hcp ? I think our game chances arent too good, so in mp i wont bid 3c, i think pass will get us to the best place. double has the plus of showing high cards, but this plus can turn into an ugly penaly double on 3h by partner which im not sure i like.

throw the diamond on the A of heart, take out the A of club, and drow trumps to squeese east if he got the K of club.(we know he got 7 diamonds)

This is not simple forcing pass bid, yes pass over 4nt is forcing but since 4nt itself was forcing im not sure what this pass shows. Anyway everyone here is talking about how deffensive the hand is, i think double is right , but its very close to forcing pass by us, without the J of diamond i would pass.

Ic, didnt know they have a bid for 5D-4M, also they made a bid for 5C-4M and 5M-4OM, so i thought 5D-4M is missing anyway it doesnt seem too importent. Btw as i mention before we changed all our passed hand bidding on the same idea that they wont show something we could open. The idea is to show clubs with the unbid suit (since club is the only suit we dont have an opening with) after they open D= clubs+ the cheapest suit, 1nt=clubs + the other suit Now after (1H) D= spades + clubs 1nt = heart + clubs after 1D D=hearts+clubs 1nt=spade+clubs. after 1sp D=diamond+club 1nt=heart+club.

We play the same stucture over 1nt except that double isnt penalty, it shows 5m-4M, the funny thing is that we made a also needed a new bidding system for passed hand but because our normal opening are 2d=D+M, and 2H=majors, we had a different problem. Your system seems to cover everything except 4D-5M hands.

Well i didnt really understand your math (didnt try too much), i dont agree that double of 1M require the same as double of 2M. Double of 2M require little more, maybe 1.5-2 hcp more or something like that. on the other hand double of 2M can be little more flexible with the shape. The examples over 1h/2h seems to me a bit too weak against 2h (atleast some of them) those over 2sp look just fine even over 2sp.

Good slam but i wouldnt bid it or make it.