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Ok, I see. But we will first see that we can get the normal sequences correct.Thanks

Looks good

Thanks for this answer. Some remarks below, but in fact I need to think about your suggestions. So my remarks are certainly no critic on your answers We have some way to bid quantitative 4NT/5NT. And your 31 limit with a fit suggests that 15 is a good limit. Sounds correct. Maybe we can use 3NT for 1-3 controls with a minimum hand; 3C for minimum hand with 4-6 controls; and keep rest of the system the same? better to find 31 pnt 4-4 slams then also being able to handle 6322 or 5422 by opener?Sorry, but this sounds a bit like throwing away something good because it is not perfect. It will probably be difficult with this system to play NT after a fit is found.Thanks, Koen

We can bid most distributional hands after 1NT opening

I don't understand what you mean

We have Confit in our system that we took from another pair at the club. 1NT-2C (1NT:15-17 / 2C is relay to 2D) 2D-2NT = Confit CONFIT is used with slam-going hand with these distributions: 2-2-4-5, 2-2-5-4, any 4432 and any 4333 Opener first shows his Italian Controls (A=2 and K=1): 3C = 1-3 3D = 4 3H = 5 3S = 6 3NT = 7 4C = 8 Then we look for a fit: • After 3C, 3D asks the number of controls • If responder bids NT, this is to play. • Both bid their cheapest 4 card. Only 4 cards with A,K or Q (?) • If a suit is repeated, it shows a 5 card. • A jump to 4NT/5NT (or 3NT-4NT; 4NT-5NT is quantitative) • 5NT after asking for Q-trumps asks for extras. • The NT-opener may not raise the level, except to show a 5-card minor with a good hand • After a fit is found, one over one asks Q-trumps. If negative then bid lowest of NT or fit; if positive show other Q. Other bids are SSA (asking 3th control). • If responder bids a suit that was skipped by one of both hands, this asks for queen of trumps with last bid suit as trumps. • Opener shows fit by raising last suit or by bidding suit that was skipped by one of both hands. (See also http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/41970-balanced-slam-hands-after-1n) = = = = = Questions: - What is the point range responder should have to start this? Is 15+ ok? (is there an upper limit?). - Is it ok to ask controls without knowing if opener is min/max (the controls will tell you)? - Does this system look useful? - Is it important to require A, K or Q to bid a 4c suit? = = = = = = = = = I generated some hands to verify this: 1NT-2C 2D-2NT = Confit ??? AQJx=Tx =AJx=Kxxx / Kx=AKJx=Txxx=Axx 3H-4H (5ctrls(11 tot) – 4cH) 4S-5NT (4cS-Quantitative) Pass => 3NT better (Nat: 1NT-2C-2S-4NT) QJx=AKx =xxx=AQxx / AKxx=QJTx=QJx=Kxx 3H-3NT (5ctrls (9 tot) – 4cC) Pass Or?: 3H-3S (5ctrls (9 tot) – 4cC) 3NT- Pass => Ok (Nat: 1NT-4NT-6NT??) Kx=AKx =Jxxxx=Axx / Axxx=xx=AKQ=KQxx 3S-4C (6ctrls (12 tot) – 4cC) 4D-4S (4cD – 4cS) 4NT -6NT (opener cannot bid 5D – responder cannot ask more) => 7D better (Nat: 1NT-2C-2D-6NT) Kx=Axxx =Jxx=AKQx / ATx=KJx=AKQx=Txx 3S-4D (6ctrls (12 tot) –4cD) 4H-6NT (4cH) => Ok (Nat: 1NT-2C-2H-6NT??) AQJx=KTx =Qx=AJxx / Kxxx=Qxx=AKx=KQx 3H-3S (5ctrls (10 tot) –4cS) 4S-4NT (Fit S - Ask SQ) 5D-6S (SQ & DQ ) => Ok (Nat: 1NT-2C-2S-4C-4H-4NT-5S-6S) QJx=AQT=AJx=Qxxx / AKT=xxx =Qxx=AKJx 3D-3NT (4ctrls (9 tot)) => Ok (Nat: 1NT-2C-2D-6NT??) QJx=AKxx=QJx=Kxx / Axx=xxx =AKx=AJTx 3D-4C (4ctrls (11 tot) – 4cC) 4H-5NT (4cH – quant) 6NT => NOT OK!! (Nat: 1NT-4NT-6NT??) AKQT=Jxx=Qxxx=Ax / xxx=AKQx =ATxx=Kx 3H-4D (5ctrls (11 tot) – 4cD) 4S-4NT (D-fit – Ask DQ) 5S – 6D (DQ & SQ) => Ok (6NT better) (Nat: 1NT-2C-2S-4NT-6NT??) Kxx=AQx=xxx=AQTx / Axx=KJx =AQJx=Kxx 3H-4D (5ctrls (11 tot) – 4cD) 4NT-6NT (no 4cH) => Ok (Nat: 1NT-6NT) Axx=xxx =KQJ=AKxx / KTxx=AKx=Axxx=Jx 3S-4D (6ctrls (12 tot) – 4cD) 4NT-5NT (no 4cH/4cS) 6NT => Not Ok (Nat: 1NT-2C-2D-3NT)

Small to the Q (B) is only best if you need exactly 3 tricks (Running the J (A) is best mp-play).The only difference comparing when you get 3 tricks with A or B: Txxx - Kx (6.46) 3 2 xxx - KTx (7.11) 2 3 - KTxxxx (0.75) 2 3 Small difference and when you want more tricks then running the J is better. I think that suitplay assumes optimal defense and random as far as it is important.

Thanks!! Then running the Jack is clearly better than small to the 9.But is it clear to play for 4 tricks in ♥? BTW: do you agree with the bidding; Are the 2 Tens of North enough to raise to 3NT at MP's (...enough against weaker opps that give you a trick sometimes)?

Thanks for the answers not sure that 3 tricks are needed? I don't understand how this impacts the play. For both plays you can go back to ♦K and repeat the finesse? Could you explain how the blockage makes running the J better. Where I play they would never intentionally play the K from KT to make me believe they had the K singleton. They could play the K for another stupid reason however.

MP's [hv=pc=n&s=s754haq98da765cj3&n=sat63hj43dkjcat65&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1cp1hp1sp2np3nppp]266|200|MP's[/hv] West did lead a small ♦ (You can assume he has 4 or 5 ♦). The ♦J holds. How do you continue? I'm especially interested in the best play for ♥-suit. I took a double finesse in ♥ starting with a small one to the 9, but it seems (suitplay) better to start with ♥J (for 3 tricks) or with small to the ♥Q (for 4 tricks).

what does this mean for the ruling/scoring?

I posted this with proud thinking that my defense was perfect. Always room for improvement.

In Niemeyer 2NT-3NT is 4c♥ and 5c♠. I have played that, but 3NT sounds to natural and easy to forget.

All the same for me

Agree with 4♥ and your reasons to bid it

Takeout: f.i. 5143 Takeout2♥=4c♥ and 5c♦; f.i:3451 then it is penalty, but ugly yes...and then you should still agree that it is TO here.

A Kxx - - x x AT - - Q J8x -RHO is in 3♦ and has to make 2 more tricks for his contract. I played this hand good (sorry to say this myself :rolleyes:) playing other suits in correct sequence to get here. (LHO does not have high cards anymore - except for ♥J - and no trumps). Partner played ♠A and I ruffed that and returned ♥Q. But my partner failed to overtake it. :( How is this play called when declarer ruffs an own winner to shorten his trumps and does this have the same name in defense? Can I now go out and tell everybody that I have made this play or does it not count if my partner didn't overtake the ♥Q? B-)

Maybe North was very convincing and you believed that it was a mispull.When the hand is played you see the North hand (see above) and you know that this player would DBL and not bid 3♦ with a 6c♦. Or EW tells you that North said something at the end of the hand like 'We play multi-landy, don't we?' I was also convinced that it was the second case (in contrary to other the TD and other posters). Suppose you first allowed the change because you thought it was a mispull and then at the end of the hand you are convinced that it was a change of mind and not a mispull. How will you correct this? (you can see full hand above). Do you give an artificial score or do you try to reconstruct what would happen without the UI of the alert (e.g 4S doubled) ?

I now play this for some time and I'm happy with it. We also don't give a lot of count in the rest of the play (we play Lavinthal the first tricks). So the count of the lead helps. ...reposting to see if there are any comments.

Thanks for sharing the hand with the play. This kind of hands feel like the next step for me. (Maybe I would get it right on a good day when really focussed)

LHO had both major Kings and a ♣-void. They had a big ♦-fit and 5♦ was unbeatable. something like: [hv=pc=n&s=saq2haq5dcaqjt932&w=skt9hkjt8daqt965c&n=s76543h97432d72c4&e=sj8h6dkj843ck8765&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1cdp1d2c2dp2n3c3dp3np4dp5ddppp]399|300[/hv] I did lead ♥A.

[hv=pc=n&s=st7642ht82dtct532&w=sq5ha975da653cak4&n=sa9hkdkq8742cqj86&e=skj83hqj643dj9c97&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p1n3d(2D%20replaced%20with%203D)d(takeout)p3hp4hppp]399|300[/hv] This was the complete hand

This was the complete hand and bidding:[hv=pc=n&s=s865h876d843c9752&w=sj7hakqjt954dt7ca&n=skqt9432h32dkckj6&e=sahdaqj9652cqt843&d=w&v=e&b=16&a=4c(Namyats)4s5dp6cp6hppp]399|300|IMP's[/hv] Two days before we had another hand with Namyats and discussed it. We agreed that Namyats promises a solid suit (which I wondered was best) and that made it easier on this hand.

Belgium: A bid is considered to be done once the card is removed from the bidding box with the apparent intention to do this. A player must decide, before touching a card from the bidding box. A bid can only be changed ​​without penalty under Art.25 A of the International Rules, if the following conditions: a) The player has taken the wrong card by mistake only. b) The player changes his bid immediately. c) The player did not retain physical contact with the card, but it is nevertheless a manual error without reflection. (25A) d) The partner has not yet done a bid. The TD may impose a penalty for insufficient attention. What if?: - They are an occasional partnership and agreed to play Multi-landy before the start of the session. - The player had a not so good 6c♦ - After the play the player says something like: 2♦ shows a 6c Major. If you believe it was a mispull, is that the end of the case?Or do you tell NS that they can call you at end of the hand? Will you look at East hand at end of the hand?

It wasn't a composition, but a hand from Yesterday tournament. But it shows that it is important to have good agreements about namyats