I'm not against opening off-shape 1NTs as such, as long as they are parts of your partnership agreements. Let me use the Italian top pair Fantoni-Nunes as an example. Playing 12-14 NT and playing 1 of a minor as 14+ hcp, they simply have to open 1NT on 2254, 2245, 2362, 2326, 3262 and 3226 when they are in the 12-13 hcp range. That's fine, because they can control the subsequent auction. However, I doubt that the average tournament player can, and that's why I think the off-shape NTs should be avoided. Even a world class pair like the Yadlin brothers were not able to get to the slam most people would bid if they opened a natural 1♦ with 2254. At the other table Zmudzinski opened 1♦ and after a 1♠ overcall, Balicki simply bid 4NT. Bridge is difficult enough as it is; there is no reason to make it even more complicated. Roland Totally agree with you Roland ! :) I only open 1NT off-shape if I foresee some rebid problems ! I don't really see an advantage to open 5♦4♣ with 1NT as you have natural bids to describe your hand.