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No change here. Exactly the same for old format and any other kind of formats. In such cases it is either a psyche, a misunderstanding or disorderly conduct. Regarding disorderly conduct I mean you load a card you have no real intensions to apply to. In fact FD has made it more visible to all that private systems often will handicap yourself - but that is an old story.

Those playing without convention card are all cheaters. Simple as that. For serious persons using a convention card - or other form of disclosure features -we might discuss approbable methods. The rules are in this way: A Aa Ab Ac Those failing not to apply to A(99% of the players) are not relevant partners for a discussion. They are disqualified.

In Regres it will be: 1. Pass - 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ - ♠(slam force,any). Natural or art. continue. I prefer CAB + DELTA 2. Pass - 1♣ - 1NT(13-18HcP, 0-1♦ + a 5cd MAJOR) 2♣(ASK distrib) - 2♥(5♠ + 4♣) 2♠(ASK distrib) - 2NT(2-suiter, ♠+♣, 5-4 min/MAX or 6-4 min) 3♣(ASK distrib) - 3♦(min, 5-3-1-4) Now responder has these options: Pass=Signoff 3♥♠=Signoff 3NT=Signoff 4♣=Signoff 4♦=End Signal 4♥=SLAB13-18 in ♠ 4♠=SLAB13-18 in ♥

Some persons seems to be serious interested in using FD-convention cards but have technical problems. The content in default cards is not sufficient to those. Well - I will try to help you in this thread. This is meant as a 'hand-on' service where you put up your question of how do create this or that. I will try to give you an answer hopefully in a way so you can enable BBO server to handle your intensions in your way. This is no thread for debate of any kind. It is a 'hand-on' service and that only. As it is not helpful to have 7 answers to 1 question please refrain to put up your solutions to a question. You will be welcome to send me a private message if you have a good solution then I will try to include that. Violating these rules the service will be stopped immediately and dependent of the interest moved to another platform where I will have rights to enforce this to be applied. Your question will be welcome! I have enabled ability to subscribe by mail for this thread.

Looks much more reasonable now Richard - very nice. I have always been of that opinion that we have no substantial disagreements. Damn so if we had - we are both analysts with the ability to see beneath the surface. For the record: I enjoy very much an interesting discussion with friends. Even hard from time to time - but if no longer friendly I will be out. I am not sure I quite understand you. I need to rely on my school english - not always enough, sorry. I don't remember if I have ever said so. But bridgerules are not binding to me. I am not a member of ACBL. I am not a member of Danish Bridge Federation. I am not a member of any bridgeorganization. This means those rules which are binding for members are for me guidelines or references. This makes me free to plug and play arbitrarely. This also means I don't study the exact texts - but take advantage from your quotes. 1. Conditional logic: Allow players to specify defenses based the definition of the opponent's bids. (As I commented before, I believe that the best way to implement this feature requires creating a lexicon describing different bids) As what I understand you here refer to is the 'qualify field'. I assume it is a feature with a structure but not yet started for ordinary use. 2. Better modularity: I like Fred's overall scheme in which players can select a basic system and then "graft" different bidding modules on top of this. As an example, I might want to add a "Bergen raise" module onto of my 1M opening structure and use a Soloway JS module over my 1m openings. Ideally, we want a system in which players can start with a checkbox style graphical CC much like the ACL uses and then create a complete FD convention card. (I see where the system is going. Unlike Moses, I hope that I will reach that promised land) However, we're a LONG way from this point. We need a lot more convention coded as modules. Equally significant, we need a GUI to drive the front end. Looks like high level handle 3. A library of suggested defenses, vetted by a real conventions committee. I think you can just create the files yourself. I will gladly upload such to 'bridgeFILES'. 4. Complete convention cards, documenting bidding systems to a depth of about 4 branches. These convention cards need to be in common use. Equally significant, they need to be integrated into major teaching programs. Not sure what you mean. More default convention cards? If you want to cooperate the platform 'bridgeFILES' will be open for you too.

Richard makes no sense. We have to try to encourage those who want to do the right things. It makes no sense to raise the steps in a way so persons think the cannot handle computer features. As far as I know you have for years used a web-site-link. BBO have now 2 formats so there is no point trying to confuse. The point is to be serious trying to do the right things - not the way you do so. Who is the sponsoring organization on BBO? BBO itself perhaps? Might be so the day software will no longer accept play without. Then the matter will be settled in that way - fine with me of course.

No problem - special formats are not required. The only thing you cannot is to play without convention card. The way you disclose your methods are up to yourself. A WEB-site-link will do too. Of course the simple way is FD. Try again it is in fact simple and logic. Try look into default cards and see the features there and modify from that.

Barmar what I say is that the most persons playing are everyday cheaters. They never dream of fulfilling their obligations according to rule 40B. I have never met a single pair doing so. Even the shining stars on BBO who ought to be a good example fails not to fulfil their obligations. They know exactly they would never be able to win any serious tourney without. As long the everyday cheaters haven't done their homework properly they have nothing to say. As long they only play simple bridge I accept them as opps. without - but if they aspire to play solid bridge they must load a convention card - or other form of fulfilling their obligations - else they have to leave table. Like Andy I am sick and tired too of those who are unable to see they have much work to do. The day that is done - let's talk about your small details. They can be settled very easily I am sure. You have a very big task to convince the majority of players of how to behave according to basic rules. Online bridge has long had the tradition of self-alerts that are not seen by partner, which avoids UI. FD's automatic displays are the opposite of this. Wrong - Fred said the opposite and he is right. And so it has been for years on BBO too.

Looks like a good idea I think. But take care - Vugraph operator still needs to enter the names - else there is no link to the personal info. There is also the ordinary problem about spelling names. I think the way will be to ask organizers to submit the names corresponding to exact match in WBF database.

In my youth 40 years ago United Nations started a programme they called 'Lifelong learning'. I have tried to live according to that as I think it is important to widen your perspective. As I live in a small country it is of crucial importance to understand what is happening elsewhere and especially why. So for bridge. If you want to find yourself after 40 years still to be playing beginner bridge with much routine - you need to do nothing. Else be curious!

Try this Andy Conventions in BSS format on bridgeFILES

It might be easier to default to only presenting bids that were valid at this seat and vulnerability Richard I am not quite sure I understand you correct. My english is not good enough for that. Readability for human beings I also think is important. I have considered to create files with summaries for that and include web-links for such in my pre-alert. I have for now decided to wait and see in which direction modifications will take before I do anything of that. It is so if you press the green conv. button during play FD will open at the page computer is reading exactly now. It does not open from the very beginning but at the relevant page. This means if you open FD you will see all of the present alternatives bidder have exactly for this bid. In that respect it is very easy to read FD - also for human beings.

I have asked for that too but received no answer so far. As it is here there are bugs in default cards from BBO it is impossible to look and learn from there. I think you are right it is syntax for qualify field we need some info about. Right now it looks so that the string with empty qualify field is loaded each time. No matter what I have tried(range, symbol or some logic combinations) nothing seems to be right. Maybe that also will be able to affect in offensive. I have 14 strings for opening 3 features in Meckwell. Such are heading for bugs I think, at least bugs are difficult to correct.

Well not all relevant information is accessed by moving the mouse over the bid on the screen. For example, some FD systems say that their 1♣ opening is 3+♣s and 11-21. At this point, one wonders what their 1NT range is, if they are playing four or five card majors, if they are playing better minor openings or that 1♦ promises 4+ or 4-4-3-2 exactly, and if they are playing certain two level openings (e.g. Mexi) that would take hand types out of 1♣. All this relevant information is not accessible by moving the mouse over the bid. What FD needs is an overview or dashboard view of what one is facing, instead of having to navigate to various points (e.g. carding). This overview would be quite similar to the front page of the BBO cc, with some reductions. This would not be limiting ourselves to the familiar - it would be combining the best of the old and the new. I think I agree with you. It is so that you can load as well FD and cc in old format at the same time. So maybe the good solution is already there. It can be very difficult for human beings to read the new convention card. It is aimed for computer to read. It is difficult to handle 1NT opening divided into 6 threads simply because you need to have a special opening for 1-2seat FAV. Thats causes 6 threads and 4 of them are exactly alike. That is Meckwell Club and when 1♦ opening consists of 4 threads and 1♥♥ each 2 then you see 14 threads for 3 openings. Not so easy to take a look at for you and me.

Claus, there is a 4th possibility: You are wrong Given the frequency with which this occurs, you really should be more familiar with this basic principle. No one is perfect. Everyone on these forums, myself included, is often guilty of making the occasion mistake. However, you combine an ideosyncratic - if not down right deranged - worldview with an authoritarian streak that attempts to dictate other players behavior. The combination is VERY annoying. In this case, you really might want to familiarize yourself with Law 40.B of the Laws of Duplicate Contract Bridge 40 B. Concealed Partnership Understandings Prohibited A player may not make a call or play based on a special partnership understanding unless an opposing pair may reasonably be expected to understand its meaning, or unless his side discloses the use of such call or play in accordance with the regulations of the sponsoring organisation. Mechanism for disclosure are delegated to the sponsoring organization. Some - but not all - of these organizations have regulations that require the use of a convention card. Other organizations prefer to fulfill this obligation by madating that everyone play the same system. Some ignore it altogether. 40 B. Concealed Partnership Understandings Prohibited I am pleased to see we agree Richard. I am unable to see any disagreement in your statement. I am very sad I in this thread for the first time ever have accused anybody for cheating. I think there have been so grave contributions in this thread that it is right to strike back regarding cheating. It has always been strange to me to see the many contributions to various threads in this Forum assuming Tournaments are serious - only because they are named Tournaments. They have no chance to be serious unless applying to 40B is secured. This means that it will be mandatory to use convention card with no option to play without. In Main Club it will be right to have using convention card as default but with an option to not to. I can be wrong of course too Richard - occasionally. But not here and your quote of 40B confirms.

To the best of my knowledge, all major online bridge sites have always allowed players to look at their own convention cards. I think this is how it should be. So it also has been on BBO. The old convention card feature also allows to see as well your own as opps.' card. No change here and right so.

Sigi you are completely missing the point. The point is simply that playing without convention card you may have 3 reasons - and 3 only. 1. You play family card game - using basic structures of natural bridge systems 2. You intentionally want to cheat playing arbitrarian features and handle, fooling opps 3. You don't know basic of bridge You constantly refer to remains of off-line features. Those are not at all relevant using computers. Regarding notes such are impossible to use in off-line bridge as it will mostly consist of books, at least for serious systems. Yours and others advocating of playing simple bridge is your very good right. No doubt. The result of your efforts you se every day on BBO - poor performance from all the many who think they can play bridge because they can play cards. Bridge is a language. A language consisting of 35 commands. The way you prefer to organize the thousands of combinations is your system. That you are obliged to inform of. Failing to do so is cheating.

This thread still looks like turning things upside-down. Those who are cheating are all those many playing with no convention card and who have done so for years now. They have suppressed my rights and are still doing so. They seems not to be ashamed despite they still claim good skill levels. If we some day will have the pleasure to be able to enforce using convention cards I assume most of them will face hard trials. My admiration for those who think they mainly rely on routine in playing cards and not try to explore their options and develop their skills can be at a very little room by me.

Yes, if I am practicing with a regular partner (drg, my dad, or arigreen) I do not look at system notes or a convention cards. Not that I think this is wrong, but imo it defeats the point of practicing. When in battle it is imperative to be able to remember what you play. If you've always had a crutch in your practice matches, you will have a harder time remembering when you need to. I also think part of bridge is knowing how to avoid accidents in uncharted territories. This is one of my strengths, and I think it is important since every partnership will have situations come up where they don't know what they're doing. I think you do not understand what full disclosure means. It means you must fully disclose your agreements to YOUR OPPONENTS. The issue at hand is that the bidding side can also see these alerts. If you are trying to play a serious match, a tournament, or practice this does not make sense at all. Misunderstandings and lack of agreements in situations are part of the game. As for your big-lettered statement, it makes no sense. All good players attempt to do this, but all good players face situations that are undiscussed. All good players sometimes forget what is on their convention cards. All good players sometimes forget what is on their convention cards. Certainly correct and no problem. I think as well partner as opps. accept that and experienced such themselves - too often perhaps. Misunderstandings and lack of agreements in situations are part of the gameObviously correct - else we all played like Meckwell I think you do not understand what full disclosure means. It means you must fully disclose your agreements to YOUR OPPONENTS. The issue at hand is that the bidding side can also see these alerts. If you are trying to play a serious match, a tournament, or practice this does not make sense at all. Misunderstandings and lack of agreements in situations are part of the gameWrong. I know quite well - but those claiming high skill levels seems not to know basic in bridge - that's the problem. I understand from your answer that we are of really different opinion of what is serious bridge and serious persons.

I really don't understand these dreadly comments coming up here. We are many each day suffering from players claiming high skill levels but failing not to use basic instrument for bridge - convention card. I often meet opps. playing simple bridge with many misunderstandings, leaving table because their pick-up partner plays simple bridge in other ways than they prefer themselves. Much rude behavior on BBO is simply based on such. That the ordinary alert is invisible to partner I assume is nothing but a simple hangover from offline bridge. Has never made sense online. We all ought to welcome very much FD. That's the tool we have asked for for years. We now have a big job to convince all the players who think they are able to walk on water that they have to apply to basic rules for decent behavior - full disclosure. All good players always plays according to their convention card

You play without convention card Justin?

It is in fact very simple and logic. What you see creating your card is exactly what computer displays to you and your opponents. You have no need to look into your card when playing - it displays itself with the info you have entered. Of course if you split VULN and opening seats or enter for interference handle - you are heading for some kind of advance handle - but still exactly the same and logic way. Take very much care if you copy features from one structure into another one. Copying opening structure from 1♥ into 1♠ you need to handle very carefully - always remembering to also correct interference handle and and hidden pass-responses. If you regard yourself poor in handling computers it is not wise of you to try to create your own card. Use the default cards. Nobody requires you to use the new format - the old format will do everywhere a convention card is mandatory. You are completely wrong stating false disclosure.

Yes there are. BBO is completely silent. All sounds you hear resides on your own computer here: "C:\Bridge Base Online\netsounds" You can customize those sounds in any way you prefer incl. volumencontrol. Deleting them or renaming your folder you will see everything is silent.

Most bids I make in nearly all systems I play are alert-requering. I think FD explanation is sufficient for that. I rarely press the alert button because I think it may cause confusions. I have decided to explain in alert box the day I will have opps. playing something else than standard. I need that because the syntax for qualify field is unknown. In many of the systems I play there are several brown-sticker features. I am really in doubt how to handle this. The point is that such features are normally only allowed for Bermuda Bowl in end-phase - fx. canape' overcalls and inverted doubles. I would appreciate very much if it would be possible to enter a code so that FD would display such very special features in another colour than the standard yellow and in that way attract opps.' attention. Right now they don't notice and are often trapped. That's not fair and not fun for me either.

That is probably the VULN bug. My files displays correct. A week or so ago I downloaded a complete version of BBO from official BBO web-site. That was no updated and displayed wrong until I found the link for update. Might be the problem.