Huh? I just woke up so maybe I'm missing something but I don't understand what you mean. edit: Ok, you just flipped the hands, I'm a moron. I would just bid 4H on hand 1, and 5S on hand 2. Same, including initial confusion over MFA lol. I'm confused by this comment. Overcalling 3♠ shows 9 spades? you rate to know where 11 of the ♠ are is what I was trying to say