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I don't think the lousy ♦ are the issue, but rather that they're getting a ♦ ruff. I'd still bid 6♠ though. Partner's 4♦ then jump to 6♦ suggests that he has a really good hand. Small rant: I don't understand the forum's obsession with forcing passes. I mean obviously they have some benefits, but in an auction like this opposite a random, it just seems silly not to support partner's suit. What chances do you give him to actually work out what you were trying to do? I put it at exactly 0%. Even if he does figure it out, he can't be certain that that's what you intended, so there is still some degree of uncertainty, which I think undoes any gains you might have gotten from it.

3♣ shows 5-5 always? That doesn't seem best to me.

I agree with your second sentence, so the rest of this post is pretty pointless in the real world. However, I'm a bit surprised you find this hand that STRONG in the context of this auction. You could easily have the ace of clubs to go with the hand you have, and that, in my mind, is more consistent with a hand that you want to suggest to partner that something bizarre is going on. I think it's obvious with a hand weaker than the one we have that we have to respect the 2♠ bidder and hope they just missed a game. I think we're just barely strong enough to say "Eat it. 4♥" while still having some protection against us balancing them into their cold game. To me, then, 3♠ is a hand in the ballpark of saying "2♠ really was the limit for them, we need to be in game." I don't think the actual hand suffices. However, opponents who do stupid stuff like bid 2♠ strong frequently do so on hands like ♠AKQJ and an outside ace and 4432 shape or something crazy. So maybe catering to that group of psychos is best, in which case I agree 3♠ probably describes this hand best. After 4♠ by lefty, I think I'd just pass. Did dummy put down like 4 trumps? lol

I would bid 3NT with partner's hand.

Ya. This. 4♣ is how opener says he really likes ♣.

i lol'd

haha that's pretty awesome edit: I thought "black card, which sounds a little ominous, but the literature says it's a really great thing" might have been a really clever thinly-veiled brag, and I was happy that I understood. edit2: and yes, the black card is made of titanium. while I can't brag that credit card companies find me very interesting, I have at least seen the black card in action. the lady at the checkout line at the grocery store was completely puzzled.

Your dad bid 3♣ :) ohhhhh snap

lol black card? not the same black card that is invite only and for people who spend $250,000+ per year described here right?

3♠ asking for stopper or are you just showing a good hand? 4♥ also shows STRONG imo.

I'd also bid the grand.

I'd just pass.

i speculate it was free bird. mike just wanted to hear some skynyrd.

Vuroth's first song has many similarities to this song, though you should note these lyrics are not the greatest: Ain't no way to explain or say How painful the hangover was today In front of the toilet, hands and knees Trying to breathe in between the dry heaves My baby made me some coffee Afraid that if I drink some it's probably coming right back out me Couple of advil, relax and chill At a standstill with how bad I feel I think I need to smell fresh air So I stepped out the back door and fell down the stairs The sunlight hit me dead in the eye Like it's mad I gave half the day to last night My bad sight made me trip on my ass right into that patch of grass like that's life All of a sudden, I realize something The weather is amazing, even the birds are bumpin Stood up and took a look and a breath And there's that bike that I forgot that I possessed Never really seen exercise as friendly But I thing something's telling me to ride that ten speed The brakes are broken, it's alright The tires got air and the chain seems tight Hopped on and felt the summertime, It reminds me of one of them Musab lines like [Chorus 2x] Sunshine, sunshine, it's fine I feel it in my skin, warming up my mind, Sometimes you gotta give in to win, I love the days when it shines, whoa let it shine If I could I would keep this feeling in a plastic jar Bust it out whenever someone's actin hard Settle down, barbeque in the backyard The kids get treats and old folks get classic cars Every day that gets to pass is a success Every woman looks better in a sun dress The sunshine's an excuse to shoot hoops, get juice Show improve their moves and let loose I hear voices, I see smiles to match em Good times and you can feel it in the fashion Even though the heat cooks up the action The streets still got butterflies Enough kids to catch 'em Ridin my bike around these lakes man Feelin like I finally figured out my escape plan Take it all and the day started off all wrong Somehow now that hangover is all gone Ain't nothing like the sound of the leaves When the breeze penetrates these southside trees Leanin' up against one, watchin the vibe Forgettin' all about the stress, thanking god I'm alive It's so simple, I had to keep the song simple When I get home I'm gonna open all the windows Feelin all right, stopped at a stop sign A car pulled up, bumpin Fresh Prince's Summertime [Chorus 2x]

I think he's bluffing. 4♥

Was that from the Vandy? I feel like I've see that before.

3♣

Do you play 3♥ as a slam try here? I would have thought it is just patterning out and still looking for best strain? 1NT bidder could still have something like KJTx♥ and 3NT might be best spot? I posted this hand for a friend and for what its worth, I wouldn't super accept myself. Partner will probably upgrade a couple of hands to 3NT where it has little play simply because we won't be able to set up the diamonds in time. If he has a good ♦ suit chances are he would have bid game himself. It is a nice hand with lots of controls, but if we only have one stopper in ♥s or ♣s it could get tricky to get 9 before they get 5. Change the ♠Q and ♦Q and I'd be all over it. Perhaps another tiny argument against trying to right-side 3♦ here could be that partner might be weak with 5-5 in the minors, in which case you want to play in ♣s. Thanks for for responses! :) Er. I'm not sure I follow your logic. 3♥ isn't a slam try, but it is GF and by definition it is a hand with the potential to take a lot of tricks, and therefore game and slam aren't too far apart. Yes, with some hands if opener bids 3NT, responder will respect that and pass, knowing that partner has cards in the suit you're short in. Secondly, a super accept is traditionally based on the quality of ♦ in opener's hand rather than other things (clee made a good point though). This is because, again, with a good fit responder will have a lot of tricks, and with a bad fit he might not. That's part of the benefit of playing 4-suit transfers: you get to invite with tricks rather than points. So in the context of a hand that couldn't super accept in ♦ here, your couldn't be better given your prime controls, 3-card support, and little ♥ wastage. Partner needs very little more than a min GF to make slam really good. Your last point is right. People use 2NT as ♦ or 5-5minors and less than invite because partner can mildly suggest preference for one of the minors by either super accepting or not, if you play the intermediate step to deny good support. Rightsiding, while a consideration, is not such a big deal.

+1

No, I just think Txx KQxxx xx AJT is a sick 2 level overcall. I get your point about a wide range not being best, but this hand doesn't qualify imo.

Depends on your doubling structure if you can double and later bid say 2♥ to show this type of hand it possibly reduces the range for 2♥ overcalls. If you now have to bid 2♥ with this hand and with [hv=s=st83hkq862d32cajt]133|100|[/hv] that puts a lot of pressure on partner to support and he has no clue when he is right. ew. Nothing about that hand suggests a 2♥ overcall to me.

It sounded to me like he was very unhappy getting few matchpoints and was looking for excuses to bid more.

I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere. Something like don't get married.

this is a greatest lyric of all time? sigh.... yes. kind of like portraits of soup cans.

agree with mike777