The 25 second guideline was emailed to the players in the event ahead of time (Fred back me up?), so although it's not listed on the website it was in use. Although it doesn't matter a ton because it's just a guideline not a hard and fast regulation. Anyway I thought this thread was dead?? Everything has been discussed to death except who is the best looking club director in southern California, so I'm out. I don't believe I ever got an email like that.