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Umm no, he will bid 5N and partner will bid 6D. Just bidding 6S with this hand would be truly silly, but still probably have a higher expectation than passing though.

Also I think that the people who think X then 4S or X then 4N will be interpretted as choice of games are dreaming.

Also I have never been able to get over the fact that this is all really unplayable if you can ever stop in 4 of a minor. For instance, we want to double with 4H and a minor and game going values. But if the takeout Xers 4m response to the responsive double is non forcing, what does he do with a good hand? Seems like he can never bypass 4H with 4 hearts and a good hand, but he can't bid 4 of a minor non forcing with a good hand, so 4H can be a strong hand with 4 hearts, or any hand with 5 hearts? Doesn't seem great. The alternative of the takeout Xer jumping to 5 of a minor if he has 4 hearts and 5 of a minor is bad too if responsive Xer might have 4 hearts. We also have the issue of slam bidding. If the takeout doubler has a strong hand but nothing is forcing and he doesn't know much about how the hands fit since the responsive doubler can have such a wide range of hands for that bid, he is forced to make a non forcing 4 level bid or a non forcing 5 level bid, the latter still having a wide range, or jumping to slam. Not great. We also have the issue that responsive doubler might make a responsive double with a ONE suited minor hand, like AKQxxx of clubs and out, trying to get to 3N. That's great except what if the T/O double hand jumps to 5D expecting responder to have 2 suits? Not great. Which reminds me of an auction Zia and Rosenberg had. It went: 2S X 3S X P 5C p 5D P ? Rosenberg thought Zia should have diamonds and hearts, and corrected to 5H. Zia had like 6 solid diamonds and no spade stopper and now had to correct to 6D. Basically there are just too many issues to resolve, and too many hand types to resolve. In my opinion the best solution that solves the most problems is to play the responsive double as game forcing. The t/o Xer never has to jump to 5 of aminor now, and responsive doubler can freely bid X then 4D forcing, etc. Unfortunately I haven't sold anyone on this idea, because the fact is you need to get in there with some light responsive doubles and it sucks if you can't stop in 4 of a minor then. If you aren't getting there with working 9 counts you're just putting too much pressure on your partner. I think shrugging and getting too high when youre both min is your best option though. We've all gone down. So basically, I have no Fing clue but this is a really complicated auction.

I almost agree. I think that: - Double then 4♦ is non-forcing with the reds - Double then 4♥ shows four hearts and an unspecified minor, willing to play five of the minor. hmm I think X then 4D non forcing is really strange. How about if X then 4D is forcing doing that, then if partner converts to 4H bidding 5C? Maybe that's how you would bid xx KQxx AKxxx Ax though, but seems kind of cool if it could show this.

4H and 2D followed by 3S.

I am 22 and obv make more tricks than the 23 year olds!

X then 4D shows H+D, X then 4H shows H+C imo.

Bet you wouldn't be saying that if you were 4234!

What? 2S then 4N shows a preference for hearts...

I wouldn't call 3H insane, just inferior. Prefer 3S.

I hate to be this person but I can't help it. Better word Good analysis though. So glad you're back, what would we do without posts like this!

I presume you are asking me if I would underlead the ♦A on this hand. The answer to that question is no. Even if I find the KJ in dummy and partner has the Q a good declarer will put up the K because it is normally a crazy lead. I would lead whatever agreed ♥ would be appropriate Umm I presume he was asking if you would lead a club or a heart! Little did he know! BTW LHO showing 1 ace rather than 2 is a big thing in favor of a heart over a club. Even when we hit the CK with partner RHO is a huge favorite to have the CA for that reason and because he might not bid 4N with no club control.

Depends on suit quality imo. I would say I would bid 2H 60 % of the time with this shape if I had to guess.

2S is obvious. Had I bid 2H and partner bid 3D I would pass, sounds like he's 4-6.

lol

Is it really that hard? Partner has the HK and we get hearts going before they can set up the diamonds to pitch their hearts away. What layout are you trying to cater to by leading the ace of diamonds?

Well, declarer can be 6=5=1=1 (not such an unlikely shape on the bidding), we have a heart trick, and they have ♣AK. I agree with the club though. but declarer has a diamond void!!!!!

I LEAD A HEART!

Conventional wisdom is that 1M p 4N is regular blackwood, but imo this is a mistake. Apart from a keycard ask being at least 20x as common as a regular blackwood response, when you have a true keycard bid you are likely to face preemption if you have to start with your forcing raise, and that will potentially lead to you not being able to bid keycard later so the argument that "you can always start with your forcing raise then bid 4N" doesn't hold true. Also, sometimes the information that you give away by starting with your forcing raise will help them find a killing lead or possibly the killing defense. That can cost you too over time. Lastly I feel like your typical "straight aces" hand can bid fairly easily by just starting with a 2/1 and eventually keycarding in it's own suit, and those hands are less vulnerable to preemption. Anyways most people don't agree with me :ph34r:

Agree with his bid.

I have really never seen this in your posts before. You submit a 14carder? I guess you meant Kxxxx,Qxxxx,-Axxxx :ph34r: :) Meant 544 I guess, doesn't really matter which way but 5 hearts would be the best.

Club, not sure what kind of layout a diamond is catering to.

I would have bid 2♥ over 2♦. Yep. Gotta bid 3H now but hate my pass of 2D.

nope AFAIK

!!!!!!!!!!!! is tacky and numerous words are tacky, I'd go with quality ketchup.