Yep, the whole transfer after transfer thing was a good lesson for me, at best saying that I came up with them was ambiguous (I came up with this type of idea independently, but not so surprisingly I was not the first!), and at worst it was fraudulently implying that I was the first to create them. In reality I was just naive and careless. I'm glad Han gives me the benefit of the doubt but when writing things publicly I should really be more careful, sorry. An amusing story about this is when I moved to New York and I was about to play a regional with Kranyak he said "I play this awesome system that I made up, after jacoby transfers the next bids are transfers..." lol. I pointed him to my blog and of course he said he was the true inventor and that I copied him :) Sorry to derail but just thought I should clarify, I will update that blog post if I remember how to clarify this point also :) As far as I know Kleinman, Rodwell, and possibly Kranyak, and I'm sure many others had this idea before I did. FWIW I play them differently (and more efficiently) now also, and I'm sure awm's system is even more efficient; the version posted in my blog was quite crude. And another side note, to those I told that this jlall account was not actually me, I didn't lie, but I know the password to it.