Please justify this statement. Have you been keeping a record of what happens on bad hands with 4-card spade support? I happen to be very happy with my record of bidding spades when I have spades. SOP dude. Yeah, actually I have about ten recent instances where I have bid 1N with a weak hand with 4 (or 5) card support. It usually works, although its hard to measure the effectiveness sometimes against 2♠. Pass is for sheep btw. What is your goal here? I have two: 1. There is an outside chance we have game. I've even heard about some people that open 1♠ with 10 tricks and a prime 24 :P 2. I want to 'buy it' at a low level if possible. This is what 1N frequently achieves. 3. I don't want my opponents to know how many trumps we have. 1. This has never occurred. Dude I was joking, I was logged in as kfay on BBO obv lol. 2. 1NT will not only allow the opponents to come in at the 2-level and have more space, but it will also give their interference more integrity. Coming in over 2♠ is less strongly defined than coming in over 1NT. 3. The opponents know how many trumps they have. I understand 1NT, but I think the preemptive effect of 2♠ just has too much going for it. I agree that pass has absolutely no merit.