Your point is valid...my opinion was based on the fact that I don't play with many PD's who psych. .. neilkaz .. Appollo was saying that, even if partner hasn't psyched, who's to say this is going off, if they only have one trump loser. The opponents know that your partner has opened, that you have shown a good raise, and have still bid strongly to game vunerable. They probably have some shape...LHO could easily be 6-5 or something.