virgosrock

Maybe the truism here is "If GIB started the asking just deny everything". Not really bridge but it isn't bridge as we know it anyways LOL

Is why I checked "points" for 6C. 13+ so I thought it is safe to bid 6C.

very fine catch jammen. i did not even investigate play possibility because of the bidding. now the question becomes can one bid a grand based on a play might emerge?

Just one disaster after another when competitive bidding. What is 3S? ask for s stopper for 3NT? But where are the "points"? where are the HCP? If not there pull the double. Or change the blurb which shows strong hand [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cvirgosrock%2Cstiffqueen%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S37JH35KD25JKC389%2CS2689QH689JAD78CT%2CSTH47TQD9TC245QKA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor suit opening -- 3%2B %21C%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points %7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7COne-level overcall -- 5%2B %21D%3B 8-17 HCP%3B 9-19 total points %7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C3- %21H%3B 3- %21S%3B 8-11 HCP%3B 12- total points%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C4- %21D%3B 5%2B %21S%3B 11- HCP%3B 9-12 total points%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C3%2B %21C%3B 16-21 HCP%3B 17-22 total points%3B forcing %7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C5%2B %21D%3B 3%2B %21S%3B 8-17 HCP%3B 9-19 total points %7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3- %21H%3B 3 %21S%3B 8-11 HCP%3B 12- total points%3B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

I checked before I bid 6C. Still 13+. So wherefrom 7S ? Sunny GUBBO personality? The Singleton club? The 7 cards in spades? Simulation? [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Calphablue%2Cvirgosrock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S9H235678KDTC68TQ%2CS78JAHTJD689C7JKA%2CS2H49D2357QKC3459%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 10%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor suit opening -- 5%2B %21S%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points %7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7CAggressive weak jump overcall -- 7%2B %21H%3B 10- HCP%3B 3%2B total points%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7CCue bid -- 3%2B %21S%3B 13%2B total points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7CBlackwood %28S%29 -- 5%2B %21S%3B 21- HCP%3B 19-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7CTwo or five key cards%3B no queen -- 3%2B %21S%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C7%2B total points %7Cmb%7C5N%7Can%7CQuery kings. Have all keycards. Does not promise extras -- 5%2B %21S%3B 21- HCP%3B %21SQ%3B 19-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7CKing of C -- 3%2B %21S%3B %21CK%3B 13%2B total point%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C7S%7Can%7CSignoff -- 5%2B %21S%3B 21- HCP%3B %21SQ%3B 19-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

Other GUBBO did show some "points". Maybe punishment for not passing 4Sx. Tends to do that. I pulled the double cos I dont trust GUBBO's doubles. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cnicvan%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S9TKAH5JQAD2569C4%2CS5H3469TD7JQC58JA%2CS3478JH278D8KC239%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 2%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor suit opening -- 3%2B %21C%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout double -- 2- %21C%3B 3-5 %21D%3B 3-4 %21H%3B%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7CFree bid%3B new suit -- 4%2B %21H%3B 8%2B total po%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7COpener rebids his C -- 3- %21H%3B 3- %21S%3B 11-15 HCP%3B twice rebiddable %21C%3B 12-16 total points %7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout double -- 2- %21C%3B 4-5 %21D%3B 3-4 %21H%3B%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C3%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 8-12 total points%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C4%2B %21S%3B 6-8 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C2- %21C%3B 4-5 %21D%3B 3-4 %21H%3B 4 %21S%3B 16-18 total%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C4%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 8-12 total points%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C4%2B %21S%3B 8%2B HCP%3B 8- total points %7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3- %21H%3B 3- %21S%3B 15 HCP%3B twice rebiddable %21C%3B 16 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7C4%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 9-12 total points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C4%2B %21S%3B 8%2B HCP%3B 8- total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

4S was 17-18 and I am stuck dreading insanity. so bit the bullet and passed. at least got a plus BUG give pard some leeway in such auctions. maybe it asks RKC. maybe..... Mr. Tu I replaced + with space. Let's see. Have a feeling e.g. the 4+ plus will also be affected. Preview shows ok. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cnicvan%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S9TH679TQKAD26KC5%2CS28JQHJDQAC348TJQ%2CS357H35D578C2679A%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 8%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor suit opening -- 3%2B %21C%3B 11-21 HCP%3B %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne over one -- 4%2B %21S%3B 6%2B total points %7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7CAggressive weak jump overcall -- 7%2B %21H%3B %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C9%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

and seems like a blurb bug

In GUBBO's world double is 14-16 (I think) so it is stuck. It did not overcall 2D hence is weak. Seems to not have clubs. Take life in hand and bid 3H? Almost 100% it has 2S. Does 3D blurb show 5+ or 4+ D? vrock

love the comments johnu and felicityR. here's my take (unfortunately slightly in favor of GUBBO - very rare) 1) Who leads a doubleton into a long suit game try and acceptance? with Jxxxx in H need a ruff. choice between D and S. D has more body. Plus GUBBO would decode Tx when dJ hook works. Plus GUBBO itself makes a game try with Qx for example. Note spade lead is bad bad. 2) Who would not lead a high club? Why couldn't two clubs cash off the top? Hand screams club void - no blackwood hence not singleton but void. so why lead it? 3) Who pitches at trick two a spade from Q10xx instead of a club from J109xxx? This is GUBizzare and sympathies. Wonder if it makes w/o spade pitch 4) Why do the bots usually double dummy me and then play like this? We are all in the "same boat". Though GUBBO is a master player when bad breaks - as in this case. Other than competitive bidding and the insane leaps to 6 or 7 and some defensive lapses, GUBBO has become better. yet, my sympathies. vrock

VERY interesting johnu. you are right blurb does not mention heart stopper. 3NT blurb I am sure does. If 2 NT is just an HCP bid it is VERY strange.

http://www.bridgebase.com/mp/mb/mbhand.php?hv=1&d=1528816306-93-~~M46036-8-8 [http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Calphablue%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1SQAH23458D79JQC5T%2CS25689JH67AD238TC%2CS37KH9TJKD4C34679%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+8-11+HCP%3B+9%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CFree+bid+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-+HCP%3B+6-12+total+points%3B+forcing%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CMixed+raise+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+7-9+total+points%3B+forcing+to+3H+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C11-21+HCP%3B+rebiddable+%21C%3B+%21CKQ%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C5%2B+%21H%3B+11+HCP%3B+12+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] hope this helps. i removed hv= and retained the square brackets.

methinks Mr. Tu had a similar recent experience. What did GUBBO expect from 10-12 hcp? JTxx? Why such a sunny view? [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cquantumed%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S57TH238KAD578C7A%2CS349JH49QD36JC239%2CS68KHD9QAC4568JQK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+5%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21H%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+3-+%21S%3B+11-12%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7C21-+HCP%3B+strong+rebiddable+%21C%3B+21-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

2nt is invitation to 3nt. took this chance just in case GUBBO sitting with 5+ clubs or something. What is 3C? I think it means I have 13, not 10/11/12 so pass the hot potato back to you. If there is an invite, either pass it or accept. What is 3c? [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cshaharz%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S368KH49KD2457C29%2CS27QH367AD39JC7TK%2CS5JAH2JD8TQC456JQ%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1C%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne+over+one+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+11-+HCP%3B+6-12+tot%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CSimple+raise+--+3%2B+%21C%3B+4+%21H%3B+11%2B+HCP%3B+12-15+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+11-+H%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+4+%21H%3B+Q%2B+in+%21C%3B+13+total+points%3B+forcing+to+3H+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C4%2B+%21H%3B+11+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

sm is right. am on windows 10. firefox is up to date. i see a lot of %2 but not %20. There are no plus signs. i go here http://www.bridgebase.com/mp/mb/mbactivity.php and click on movie to get a browser page which has the URL. I don't click on LIN.

I meant to add to the original post that the "correct" bid in GUBBO's system is 2D showing 4+. It has done this often in pass out position at the 2 level. I forget the point range. I think it was 10+. 2 point risk i could live with in the fight for a partial. vrock ps i googled the + signs in the URL. Nothing definitive yet.

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agreee. question is who shall bell the cat? :)

this seems similar to smerriman's simulations on a slightly different hand. The probability of 2 keycards missing must be about 10% +- so GUBBO goes for it.

my sympathies Mr. Tu. With GUBBO I would not bid 3H because it is not known what it will do. Maybe it thought you had something special to show which is not 3D. maybe stiff club. it has 2d, has supporting spades and a 4th heart. so BOOM!

very enlightening smerriman. I gave it more thought. If GUBBO bids 4C then likely opener bids 4S denying heart ace, denying diamond ace and unless 4S is some sort of delayed support for spades and is interpreted as a cuebid GUBBO should subside in 5C. (close to 100%). victory of common sense over common science? major point being 4C provides room for investigation rather than bash in to simulations. PLUS the option of 4NT is still there after 4S if GUBBO does not trust pard.

Must post actual hands :) there is many a slip twixt the cup and the lip. Always :)

sympathies helene. GUBBO leads seem to seek 4th and 5th trick before first second and third. 1d is 3+, 3dx is 4+ so it thinks needs 4th and 5th tricks. It is a very tempo-based creature. Except this time it gave tempo away. Generally, for me, GUBBO's leads have worked quite well. MAybe, just maybe not doubling with 11 hcp opener might have worked. Only the shadow knows!!!!

1. i thought restricted choice applies when - more or less - when little is known about the distribution. 2. In this case east gib has 4+h and from carding 4+ clubs. seems to have a cl honor and heart honor. 3. I also think simulation encompasses restricted choice. Based on above I finesse. Call it law of vacant places or restricted choice or whatever. vrock

methinks GUBBO will avoid 2 NT with stiff spade since pd may jump to 4S with 6S assuming doubleton for 2 NT. Of course depends on the zodiac and position of the stars.