virgosrock

Just happened. I had overcalled 1S and they reach 3NT. GUBBO did not support spades and opening lead was s8 from Q86. Just a vulnerable game.

4C is ok. Continuation beyond 4H not ok.

no beep from forum either :)

Well, if BBO got the binary probably impossible. IF database changes the algorithm should be something like look for all double and triple jumps to 6 or 7. Insert rkc and responses where possible. I am probably oversimplifying hugely.

LOL johnu. GUBBO thinks a void in partner's twice bid suit is a significant plus. methinks the correct bid is 3H. gszes do you read the bidding blurbs? this is not "human" bridge we play here. It is some neanderthal archaic form of bidding. Exactly like the guys in my domestic money bridge games.

haha johnu. always the man with the silver lining !

twould help if the method of posting is changed such that we can see the bidding blurbs. thanks.

I think the double then 5C is something outrageous like 24 to 28 "points". if not more LOL.

keep up the good work diana_eva :) keep us honest.

Rule should be very simple: If simulation suggests insane double/triple jump to 6 or 7 use RKC anyway. Can't be difficult to implement. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CHoopsw%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C4S3H4578JKADJKC7TA%2CS47TQH39QD38C46JQ%2CS589JKAH2D9TQAC8K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 2%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7CMajor suit opening -- 5%2B %21H%3B 11-21 HCP%3B %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne over one -- 4%2B %21S%3B 6%2B total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C7%2B %21H%3B 21- HCP%3B strong rebiddable %21H%3B 19%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C7H%7Can%7C1%2B %21H%3B 4%2B %21S%3B 17%2B total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C12%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

what more does it need to double 3C? Is double not in bidding table? [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CMat130%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S78KAH23QKD2JQCTQ%2CS5TH4569AD39C25JA%2CS39JH8TJD4TAC679K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 4%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7Cnotrump opener. Could have 5M. -- 2-5 %21C%7Cmb%7C2H%21%7Can%7CCappelletti - hearts and a minor -- 4%2B %21%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CShow me your other suit -- 11- HCP%3B 12- total points %7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C2-5 %21C%3B 2-5 %21D%3B 2-5 %21H%3B 2-5 %21S%3B 15-17 HC%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CMy better minor -- 5%2B %21C%3B 5%2B %21H%3B 3- %21S%3B %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

wonder what diana_eva filtered out LOL

a workaround which has partially worked to decode these asinine doubles is e.g. if they are in 4S in a competitive auction and you have 3S pull it!!! It is adding "points" to its stiff spade. or if you have AQT9 in diamonds with diamonds bid on your right and supported, DONT double because it has a stiff or void and will pull and mostly you will get doubled in suit it pulls.

HaHa! It's called the "Let's pass and see if partner can be murdered" - Cornerstone of GUBBO competitive bidding.

I have been yettttttttttttttttt-ing about these defenseless passes for ages. Jdonn had hinted they are working on this about 4 to 8 months ago.

Love the suggestion to just overcall just 1S. Will be implementing this asap.

johnu, you ALWAYS make my day :)

Hi Steve2005 I don't know most of the time whether it is an existing issue. I can't find myself going thru all past posts to determine whether posted or not. Ideally one would expect such posts to be addressed within a few weeks but I don't think such is the case. Hence I am stuck. Sorry.

I could "see" 3NT not making based on bidding. Many singletons. So I checked blurb for 4H. Seemed like I was limited. And sure enough Mr. Sunshine the GUBBO headed slamward. At this point just took control so I could drop in 5H. My fault I suppose. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cconomor%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S48QKH678D4C47TKA%2CS23JH3JD56TKAC29J%2CS5AH45KAD789JQC36%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 9%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor suit opening -- 3%2B %21D%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CForcing two over one -- 11%2B HCP%3B biddabl%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7COpener rebids suit -- 5%2B %21D%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points%3B forcing to 3N %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C5%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21S%3B 12%2B HCP%3B 13%2B total points%3B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C5%2B %21D%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 11-21 HCP%3B 12-22 total points%3B forcing to 3N %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C5%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 4%2B %21S%3B 12%2B HCP%3B 13-18 tota%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7CCue bid -- 5%2B %21D%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 21- HCP%3B %21SA%3B 18-22 total points%3B forcing %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7CBlackwood %28H%29 -- 5%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 4%2B %21S%3B 14%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7CZero or three key cards -- 5%2B %21D%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 21- HCP%3B %21SA%3B 18-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7C%3F queen -- 5%2B %21C%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 4%2B %21S%3B 14-18 to%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7CNo queen - H trump -- 5%2B %21D%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 21- HCP%3B %21SA%3B 18-22 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

Funnily enough when GUBBO does strange things there is a silver lining. Opps are 1 trick short of 4H LOL

I did not bid 2S initially cos of jx qx and 6223 shape and vul. was pleasantly surprised when 2S blurb showed 10+ and 5+. felt safe. GUBBO jumped to 4S. Two principles: 1. Length in opponents suit. AmGors. 2. Always leap to game. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cconomor%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S35TH38JD2QKAC5TA%2CS2689QKH5QD4JC349%2CSJH246AD3579TC268%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor suit opening -- 3%2B %21D%3B 11-21 HCP%3B %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1H%7Can%7COne over one -- 4%2B %21H%3B 6%2B total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C2-5 %21C%3B 4-5 %21D%3B 2-3 %21H%3B 2-3 %21S%3B 12-14 HC%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7CRetreat from notrump -- 4%2B %21D%3B 4%2B %21H%3B 6-11 total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7C2-5 %21C%3B 4-5 %21D%3B 3 %21H%3B 2-3 %21S%3B 12-14 HCP%3B%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C5%2B %21S%3B 10%2B HCP%3B 16- total points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3%2B %21S%3B 20- total points %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cmc%7C9%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

Yes. I almost bid 3S and I should have perhaps but got swayed by the 7th spade and concern the moron could potentially pass 3S. However managed a plus and subscribed to the same boat litany.

I disagree. It is a crater not a hole in the database. Low level auction so pass is inexcusable. GUBBO is brilliant in card play and defense. In bidding, mostly competitive, it is a BIG ZERO.

you are right johnu. the bidding shows a second negative so how could it? btw, the MOST hilarious comment to date.

I am speechless. This second negative has been brought up so many times yet...... Must be the hoary "all in same boat" oops! i was short 3 HCP. Shame on me. At least got a plus and a huge virtual minus. [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cstiffqueen%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S3467JQKHTKAD7TKC%2CS8H249QD56QC256TQ%2CS9AH368JD2AC3789K%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard 7%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CStrong two club -- 19%2B HCP%3B 23%2B total po%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C2D bid waiting -- forcing to 2N %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7COpener%27s suit -- 5%2B %21S%3B 19%2B HCP%3B 23%2B tot%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%21%7Can%7CCheaper minor -- forcing to 3S %7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C6%2B %21S%3B 24%2B total points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C13%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]