virgosrock

Clearly not clear LOL. 4dx could be 1/2/3 down at fav. with 6 hearts and so many hcp south would be hard pressed to double. Seems like best is 4H. and not be upset because GUBBO passed with d stack. Will affect current and next few hands. vrock

if the 1H bidder has 5-6 hcp - possible - they will probably be down 1 or even make. Look at the 98765 spots in d. GUBBO will probably take small ruffs and might even endplay north in d. Plays bad break contracts very well. vrock

Hand 1 This is actually where does no show hi-lo in hearts. Expects me to decode later [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cnicvan%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S789KH278D69TAC4J%2CS6H69KAD8QKC257TQ%2CS3JQAH3TJQD57JC69%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+3-5+%21C%3B+3-5+%21D%3B+3-4+%21H%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CTruscott+%28Jordan%29+--+3%2B+%21S%3B+11%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7CFree+bid%3B+new+suit+--+4%2B+%21C%3B+6-10+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7Crebiddable+%21C%3B+18%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21S%3B+11%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+6%2B+HCP%3B+7-10+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cmc%7C8%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] Hand 2 my club 6 not high enough to show count? D7 didn't show count? [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CHansEri1%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S238JQKAH68TD234C%2CS59H9D78TAC34689J%2CS47H47JKAD69QC25Q%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+3%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7CPreempt+--+8%2B+%21S%3B+5-9+HCP%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cmc%7C10%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv] vrock

no chastisement intended by me. perhaps the system you are used to is different.GUBBO system is what most in this thread have quoted. vrock

haha Ken vrock

Even if one thinks GUBBO has denied 4S - not sure why one would think thus - it is a good bid to show strength and distribution. Immediately shows 5+D and 4+S for sure and GF strength. For all you know GUBBO has 6 clubs. And you need GUBBO to show d support. vrock vrock

LOL. This hand Stephen was posted more as an "interesting" hand than a complaint. I think GUBBO bid correctly. I just didn't want to risk a double given the bidding and fell in love with my hand quality which then prompted 4H. No issues with GUBBO on this one. vrock

thanks for the 2 NT clarification. I just wasn't 100% sure. I seemed to recall once it did respond 2NT in a similar auction and blurb said "weak". But am not 100% sure. I recall being surprised since I thought likewise re 2NT. vrock

was this moneybridge? unlikely since no 2 humans. i am not sure which bot they offer to the non-moneybridge milieu. Other than stupid defensive carding and competitive bidding GUBBO is getting better. vrock

It is quite rare but I am with GUBBO (Ginsberg's Untelligent Bridgeplayer on BBO) on this one. 1d-1h-2S. now most likely it bids 2NT showing it has a poor hand. maybe someone can confirm this. or it bids 3d though that is positive. 1d-1h-2s-2nt-3c showing your shape. at this point up in the air what GUBBO does. possibly 3D. OR 1d-1h-2s-3D positive with support and you are off to the races. In this case, sorry, 0% blame on GUBBO. vrock

ODR = ? vrock

somehow GUBBO does not understand how to double for penalties. Have seen this before a few times. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CGVlijm01%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S357TH567JD467C4A%2CS24JQHD589TQC569T%2CS89H249ADJKAC38QK%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+5%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7Cnotrump+opener.+Could+have+5M.+--+2-5+%21C%3B+2-5+%21D%3B+2-5+%21H%3B+2-5+%21S%3B+15-17+HCP%3B+18-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7CStayman+--%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7COvercall+--+7%2B+%21D%3B+11%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C1-+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+14-20+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C6%2B+HCP%3B+biddable+%21H%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+7%2B+%21D%3B+11%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C2-5+%21C%3B+2-5+%21D%3B+3-5+%21H%3B+2-5+%21S%3B+15-17+HCP%3B+18-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

I pulled this only because sick of double swings caused by such doubles. Maybe someone can provide rationale for pulling. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2CGVlijm01%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S358JQHQD2KC469TQ%2CSTH7TKAD459QAC23J%2CS267KAH4689D7C5KA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+4%7Csv%7Cb%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7CPreemptive+raise+--+5%2B+%21D%3B+4-9+total+points+%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7C4%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7C5D%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+20-21+HCP%3B+21-22+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C5%2B+%21S%3B+15-17+HCP%3B+16-19+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5S%7Can%7C5%2B+%21S%3B+9%2B+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+20-21+HCP%3B+21-22+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

this time unsuccessful. Assign blame. Note Am Gors with length in opps suit. Maybe the double caused GUBBO to misplay. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cdecour%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2S79TAH3D347TC2QKA%2CS26JQH7JD2AC349TJ%2CS3H46QAD5689JKC58%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+8%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CAggressive+weak+jump+overcall+--+6%2B+%21H%3B+4-9+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CNegative+double+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+7%2B+HCP%3B+8%2B+tot%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C3%2B+%21H%3B+3-8+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C5%2B+%21D%3B+4%2B+%21S%3B+17%2B+total+points%3B+forcing+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7CBlackwood+%28D%29+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+21-+HCP%3B+15-22+total+points%3B+forcing+to+5D+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5H%7Can%7CTwo+or+five+key+cards%3B+no+queen+--+5%2B+%21D%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6D%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+21-+HCP%3B+15-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C2%2B+%21D%3B+3%2B+%21H%3B+3-8+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

then we'd have 1d 1s 2d respx ? GUB? wonder where we'd end up. I suspect slam. vrock

you think s2005 the big boys would get to such a slam? I think moneybridge - real life - crazies will get to it. vrock

I may have mentioned that, other than insane jumps, I have had no problem with GUBBO's slam bidding. Maybe I was lucky, maybe very lucky. Note the Am Gors when length in opp's suit. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CVirgosRock%2Cdecour%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C2SH2357QD58TJC236K%2CS249KH6JD349KACTJ%2CS37TQAH9TADC489QA%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+12%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CTakeout+double+--+3-5+%21C%3B+2-+%21D%3B+3-4+%21H%3B+3-4+%21S%3B+12%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CFree+bid%3B+new+suit+--+4%2B+%21S%3B+8%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7C2H%7Can%7CFree+bid%3B+new+suit+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+6-10+total+%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21D%3B+4+%21S%3B+11%2B+HCP%3B+12-16+total+points%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C3-+%21H%3B+rebiddable+%21C%3B+21%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3S%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+4%2B+%21H%3B+10+total+points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7C3-+%21H%3B+rebiddable+%21C%3B+22%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpg%7C%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

surprisingly did not pass 2dx. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cshaharz%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S3JKH79KD27TAC46J%2CS479TAH58QDC578KA%2CS256H46TAD358QC39%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+11%7Csv%7Co%7Cmb%7C1D%7Can%7CMinor+suit+opening+--+3%2B+%21D%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7COne-level+overcall+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+8-17+HCP%3B+9%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7CNegative+double+--+4%2B+%21H%3B+7%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7C2-+%21S%3B+9-11+HCP+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2C%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+17-+HCP%3B+11-19+total+point%7Cmb%7C2D%7Can%7C4%2B+%21H%3B+biddable+%21D%3B+7%2B+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cd%7Can%7C4%2B+%21C%3B+1%2B+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+17-+HCP%3B+13-19+tota%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+2-+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+9-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7C5%2B+%21C%3B+1%2B+%21D%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+17-+HCP%3B+16-19+tota%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C5C%7Can%7C3%2B+%21C%3B+2-+%21S%3B+9%2B+HCP%3B+9-+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C10%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

Actually mostly I have been successful bidding slams with GUBBO EXCEPT for the insane jumps. vrock

Did consider 2/1 (and therefore bid 3H splinter) but figured I want to play in clubs just in case spade break is bad (4-1). I can never find out about spade J. S oI took the safer option. Had I known GUBBO cant handle 3 level SJS I would have gone for 2/1. But lack of cue bid is amazing. At least I got to 6 is all I can say. vrock

No issues from "our" side. I expected to be down fav. vrock

Has GUBBO shown its hand for me to bid cold 7C? Surely could have asked for key cards. "Points" are 15-22. Would you take a chance? vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7Cvoloda1%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C3S26H2JKD3456QC237%2CS39AH3D8JC469JQKA%2CS78TH58TQD279TC8T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+9%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Can%7CMajor+suit+opening+--+5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3C%21%7Can%7CSoloway+jump+shift+--+rebiddable+%21C%3B+17%2B%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3D%7Can%7C5%2B+%21S%3B+11-21+HCP%3B+%21DKQ%3B+12-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4C%7Can%7CSolid+C%3B+maximum+--+2-+%21S%3B+solid+6-card+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6C%7Can%7C2%2B+%21C%3B+5%2B+%21S%3B+21-+HCP%3B+%21DKQ%3B+15-22+total+points+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpg%7C%7Cmc%7C13%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

Why worry? "Everybody in same boat". What if boat leaves? I am absolutely entitled to sarcasm. vrock [hv=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn%7CHansEri1%2CVirgosRock%2CRobotN%2CRobotE%7Cst%7C%7Cmd%7C1S67QAH56D67QC78QA%2CSJH24789JKD34C569%2CS23459TH3QD5JAC4T%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard+15%7Csv%7Cn%7Cmb%7C1N%7Can%7Cnotrump+opener.+Could+have+5M.+--+2-5+%21C%7Cmb%7C2C%21%7Can%7CCappelletti+-+single+suited+--+14-+HCP%3B+%7Cmb%7C2H%21%7Can%7CJacoby+transfer+--+5%2B+%21S+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7CTransfer+completed+to+S+--+2-5+%21C%3B+2-5+%21%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%7Can%7CInvitational+to+3NT+game+--+10-+total+points%3B+stop+in+%21S+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C3H%7Can%7C14-+HCP%3B+twice+rebiddable+%21H%3B+15%2B+total+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4H%7Can%7C2%2B+%21H%3B+10-+total+points%3B+stop+in+%21S+%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpg%7C%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CHQ%7Cmc%7C8%7C%0A%0A]399|300[/hv]

agree s2005. 3C is the bid. Maybe it went astray because of stiff spade, the 2D bid which might indicate c shortness. Still, all-in-all, a terrible pass (if 3C is drop bid). But then "everybody is in the same boat". Today you lose MP/IMP/$ because of GUBBO's strangeness, tomorrow you will gain when it does same to your opponents. The worst arrogant rationalization I have been hearing for 10+ years. All that is needed is "We are working on it" and appease all. Sorry to rant. vrock

Valid points all Stephen. I thought 3D would show the hand with more HCP and 2Dx would show the hand type I had. "Twice rebiddable". Wonder if there is a way to determine this. Perhaps Sir Donn. I haven't given them my rake for about a year now. Moment I fall below a threshold I go to a lower stake ad nauseum. The rest is just getting it off one's plate and hopefully putting it on "theirs". And posting it is for the benefit of those who may learn from it and those who may be planning to buyit/rent it. Once a Prof always a Prof. But I would still want the difference between 2dx and 3d clarified. Or a sound explanation of twice rebiddable. vrock