Lovera

Although this seems another situation where all fit to solve at double dummy: here with ♦ K we can have 13 tricks. Infact another sequence may be ..(4♠)-4NT, (p)-5NT(=2 keys+Q as told+void) and after 6♣(=? for void)-7♥. But because we have not had notice in bidding if void instead is in diamond we have to play against 6-1-2-4 stiff Q of trump to estabilish ♦ Q and King of club third in dummy(=A to expasse) for 12 tricks.

If you are spoking about percentage or chance than we are agree :55 or 53 are similar.

I've used Oklahoma convention better than Swiss and on reponse by partner that opened 1♥/♠ ruled so: 4♣ meaning support in trump (5/+ cards) with an Ace , 4♦ idem with two Aces , 4 in trump of partner with no Ace. This bidding being preemptive the range is 6-8 points in high cards but it being that two Aces consuming all force and is rare i have changed in keycards-Oklahoma including the A or K of trump so :4♣(=1 keycard), 4♦(=2 keycards), 4♥/♠(=0 keycards). I have talked about it in "Raising with 5 trump" (with "I like" by Vampyr for Lovera).

And the author continues so always talking about grand slam contracts (..=):"For this reason a grand slam to 60%, if ends negatively yet , it is not a zero because who bidded it he finds himself in good company and a company the more numerous the more fierce is the field of the participants in that tournament . Conversely, if slam is feasible, those who do not declare their lost valuable points against the most formidable competitors. It is clear, however, that if the level of play of the room is quite poor reasoning does not apply."

Apart the fact that when there is a double the planning is oriented, i want report what Guido Barbone (ex CNP for our Blue Team and President of FIGB) wrote in his book "Il libro completo del bridge di gara" about The contracts of grand slam: ".. In the racing bridge however, it is sufficient that the odds are favorable by approximately 60% to qualify rational any declaration of a grand slam. The more liberal attitude is explained by the fact that in a tournament almost the entire hall declares a grand slam to 70% and that, consequently, the good player should not risk a little more than on the distance, it ends up producing positive resulting . The suggest ..becomes from the findings made by examining the modules score pairs competition of great importance: the strong pairs tend to declare big slam that also offer only 55% of the odds favoureble. .." (pagg. 129-130).

I'm on going to variate the ten card sureing presence of Q(=fall) as equal at nine with Q inside(=under impasse) that much probably is having opp doubled. Although if you are right about "Horrible odds.." than the bidding problem there is not.

Sorry, my mistake because we not have all the keys. But if N consider void like an Ace bidding 5♦ querying with 5♠ for Q is indicated(=yes Q) the diamond King with the answer of 6♦ ...

Why ? After 4♠ S bids 5♠ as RKB(h) and N doesn't consider club void(=not usefull). The answer of 5♥ meaning, yet with 7th plus two support cards by partner in trump can be considered that is, 2 keys plus (much presumible inside) Queen and with 5♠(=all six keys) it is indicate the diamond King for seven. South needs partner had almost 19 points for to try to investigate for slam.

Perhaps you have right to say i had to bid 3♥ or maybe i have tried to show force in a similar way of topic citated. Although i don't leave Stayman system because is a good one that i already know, used and integrated with adjuntive conventions (i have suggested the hand valutation basic to get a good final contract), bye.

Hi lycier. I want avoid misanderstanding. I never said my partner has played not good because realized 4+2. I wonder that with three Aces and my jump meaning force can bid Rkb and subsequently reaches six factible with all opening leads but club (only a pair if i don't remember wrong). But my aptention was captured by this "mirror" situation of 3Aces opposite 3Kings that i consider not usual :the first time i saw it was in "How not to get to 7" but i've encountered already (almost) two times on my tables (one of this yesterday night at the end). Obviously i cannot bid Rkb yet because i have only a King of trump so topic title is right to "focus" this one that seems to me to be more frequent i thought. Can be interesting to find conditions about. With the occasion, many wishes for Christmas.

It is possible to find it. To semplify i have asked for, but i can tell already now .

Hi joemanjo. Do you remember in what section you have wrote about ?(Lovera)

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We are in eight to realize : 4 with a top and 4 with a half-top and more one pair bid 2♥+4 and one ended in 6NT (down) bidding the yet used old-Blackwood. Than :why not to get to 6 ? There are three friendly suit but ..don't eat the daises (en passant can be a difficult to see lead for defense in spade).

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Eros Ramazzotti: Buon Natale (Se vuoi). At a certain point in the song text there is this phrase that can translate : ..tell me what is the reason/is Christmas/ but peace there is not..(dimmi perché/è Natale/ma pace non c'è)

Although after 3♠ N has bidded 3NT meaning that all force(=range 14-18) is on the other suits or re-calling Jacoby(=unbalanced). If it so and in spade is shortness(=singleton) we can easily ruff two spade in dummy and for a grand needs A and K in diamond than after RKB with answer 5♥(=2 keys w/o Q) 5♠ query for a second round controll having informations for Aces dislocation and eventual collateral King position than 6♦ being positif answer sure A in trump and King in diamond more probably togheter at the second Ace ( lacking cue in club and for this aim 5♣ Exclusion can be considered also). In this way we can bid 7♥ with more safety.

I usually leaves bidding as reported more possible so to retain conditions of problem inhaltered than i agree with p - 1♥, 3♥ - 3♠, 3NT and considering that N has not cuebidded in club is it probable not has Ace in suit. But, also i have told in my last post (with the occasion if anyone may indicate it - perhaps in topic title the are the words "rkb" "king" and "blackwood") my intendiment was and is to managed RKB with this situation and i think probably i have found as to solve.

There is another topic where you can find the situation i've told in my post #22 saying Generically speaking.... In that one bidding was 1♥-1♠, 3♥-3♠, 4♠ having partner in spade AQ probably 6th, stiff K in heart and AKxx in diamond. The bidding problem was to know in trump (=spade) presence of K. It being five different situations the answer to 5NT asking without K (or A if is the case) in trump agree by RKB bidder is six of trump whilest in the other positive case should be sured A+K in indicated suit of K but the case you have already an A (Aces aside indicated K).

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Perhaps 5♣ Exclusion by S as card lie can get informations about ♥ A and ♦ AK and knowing that this suit has no losers we can bid 7♥.

Manudude03 and Zelandakh i agree with you :N infact think i have ♣ A whilest i have in club void that has complicated the identification of position and i not denyied it but i have forced in this way bidding to have information about diamond hopeing partner can get up to seven (why S don't bid 7? Lacking ♥ A?). Although 6♥+1 had to have an almost half-top, bye.

Hi manudude03 i am in South RKB bidder and i have not the ♥ A ..

I am looking for informations via RKB about ♦ K and Aces but if i am not sure if in heart suit there is Ace i don't bid seven. Partner should ask himself why i don't get 7 when asked for (i have not ♥ A). Generically speaking this is the situation that indication of two Aces upon three available positions can get different resulting when is not been possible to have informations of these ones in other way.

Infact RKB with a void can have any form of ambiguity.