Lovera

I think that this choising of 16 should be and probably is underintended to be correlated with the valutation of hand (implicating any extra to consider too). Let's consider that max points in one hand is 37, 37-16=21 and restanting points are distribuite 7 for each other player but until now we are considering only HCP and not adjuntive other one as surplus values or shape or not interference etc that makes right to get game with 23. To reverse the problem for finding any semplicity for solve needs to start where there is a positive resulting to observe :why or how it is happening ?

Than i have done the right thing with my topic "The mirror top honor situation": one is this with Kings and Aces fourthemore in the same suits, in the post #11 by MrAce the board 11 is on limit (exchange K and A in heart suit) while in 12 there are the 6 in opp hand, in post #12 by oryctolagi we have Aces and Kings on the same line. Because these "situations" (i have found looking around another with three 10 more the three Aces and another is in post #9 by mgoetze in topic "Drury for GIB please") are frequent and i think not regoularment conducible at statistic could be a forced habit of informatic(=magnetic ?) type to have to consider. En passant : double is a bidding showing force, here the three Aces.(Lovera)

Hi by Lovera. As i've already told to Bbradley62 i don't know informatic (then..consider it).Let me tell a my thinking: it should simple (!) to unite a system and a convention agree for this one so. Let's suppose that this system S is already operative; apart we have a convention C in the same way studied and operative too (having an "url" or "#" to find it (i.e. 4♣ Gerber). When pair want to use it in their system S in the appropriate way they use (i.e. after a sequence ending in 3NT) the 4♣ # C.Do you think is it possibile ? Bye and let me know, i'll try to help you if i can.

Hi, i think that for a "winkle" ending explanation may be better to show the West hand ( ♦ A with restanting cards) too, bye.

Hi Bbradley62: this topic begins in a way that let me thinking at a precedent dialogue in other side or at direct request of anybody. May you tell me about ? Thanks.

If it will avoid complexity about programming should be possible open, as for "Claim", a second "window" with roll :one can be reserved for explanation of RKB, another for conventional or not biddings as Cappelletti (over 1NT) and Michaels (over 1x) with the only predeterminates answers of [ ] conv [ ] nat/classic and so on in eventual other bidding cases with ambigue treatment.

Hello, do you refer to answere ? "In the case of opp bidding, this convention doesn't apply, to avoid possible misunderstanding, because the jump answer of partner of 1NT bidder when interferred shows a positive hand with the natural suit" (The "Texas Convention" corretted pag. 61 from "Il Sistema Burgay" by Leandro Burgay copyright 1969 - U. Mursia & C. via Tadino, 29 Milano first edition 1969).This "Full Disclosure and Dealer" is different respect the other ones and ..cryptic for informatic procedures (that i don't know), bye.

It should be not transfert 'cause opp intervention needs to indicate really(=nat.) suit.(Lovera)

Yes, i know it because few time ago i've found by searching box this information about Convention Card and seems that was indicate at the end of GIB Card explanation in Home. Although my idea by-pass it because is easier to make needing indicate only most used bidding (as RKB, NT, and others already told) but with different answers that are in a limitate number. Than i hope BBO can consider favoureble it.

I have seen (via BBO Italia) that :" On BBO you can compile your own CC. This serves two purposes: - to prepare the classic CC, like the one that is used to make at own club-to allow that BBO allerts automatically conventional biddings when we're playing at a table, with a duplicate or a tournament." Than seems that anything is too yet. Where i can compile my CC (actually i have put in Profile indications) ? This one in Topic serve to everyone avoiding to make mistakes/misunderstanding in bidding, bye.

If i don't remember wrong this book in Italy had to be titled "Non contate i punti" talking about defence bidding and suggest to make so it and, than, not for the line of ending declarer but just on regard opp. Is it right ?

Gazzilli :see also (in Italian language) http://bridgeditalia.it/2014/07/il-2-fiori-gazzilli-introduzione/

Perhaps i can explain what i am talking with any bidding examples: this "automatic alert"(=A) confirms an eventual agreement that pair could make but that have not yet. Ex 1) Opener(=O) bids 1NT bidding allertable by (A) that requires explanation : [ ] w(= weak) [x] s(=strong) x indicates choise clicking meaning that O uses 1NT 15-17 strong now Responder(=R) bids 2♥ another bidding allertable in a predeterminate and restrict list (i have make one) requiring explanation if [x] nat or [ ] conv and it is clear that R dosen't use transfert or Texas because has choisen natural than O can pass avoiding a probable misunderstanding if had not haven this information. Ex 2) O 1♥ R 3 ♥ (A) for explanation [ ] w [x] s having indicate that is not preempt bidding continues with 4NT another sure allertable bidding requiring to specify if is [ ] classic [ ] Rkb03 [x] Rkb14 [ ] Q(=Quantitative) and R knows that with an A and KQ of heart must bid 5♠ but if instead O have indicated classic R must bid 5♦(=1 A) and with subsequent 5♠ (A) requires explanation if is for [ ] Q(=Queen) [x] K(=King) than 6♣ (=1 K)will be the right answer. Ex 3) 1NT allertable etc let's see defence with opp bidding of 2♦ (A) [x] nat [ ] conv and we knows that is not used i.e. Cappelletti but is indicated the suit of diamond. If must eventually be indicated force it needs to indicate the range used in system/CC i.e. for precedent raise of 3♥ must be indicated 14-18 and not the precise force of the hand of player.

Perhaps If GIB doesn't count not protected honors cannot open Capp that rightly shows a 5+/5+ because in defence a bidding implicit indicate a second suit as here 5-4 and probably had not bidded with a better resulting vs 1NT.

Hi lycier. I don't know the book citated but seems similar for bidding to Stayman that tells: this bidding (1-3 with jump) means a good suit with 6 cards (raising with xx or H), is inviting (one trick below game) and show 19-20 points :(43) ♠ AK2 ♥ AKJ1082 ♦ Q5 ♣ 74 1♥ p 1 NT p, 3♥ (44) ♠ KQJ952 ♥ A ♦ AQ5 ♣ 1096. When is in a minor suit is generically base upon a solid suit of six cards , with about an A and a K aside forcing responder to find 3NT If plastic valutation reveals that nine tricks are possibile. So: (45) K103 ♥ 75 ♦ AKQ854 ♣ A8 1♦ p 1♠ p, 3♦ (pagg. 73-74 ..Stayman systeme ..).(Lovera)

If you see my Profile it could be clear also, as you knew, for keycard-Oklahoma (jumping in 4x preempt). But the point is ,i.e. 1NT, that partner don't see it and If use weak NT or Rkb 03 instead 14 to give a wrong information . Instead making explanation in yellow box for all players allows this one is avoided, play is improved, resulting and bidding are ok and players are all happy returning to play again vs bad resulting and relatives conseguences, bye. I hope this my can be apply.

(HNY for instance to everybody).I will suggest a sort of automatic or available "Alert" for explanation of bidding by player that can see either opp or ,but expecially ,partner when a bidding has multiply options : i think i.e. to priorly RKB because can be 1430 or 0314 and all important subsequent query for Q or K or also Classic Blackwood or Quantitative,transfert in answer to NT or if instead must be intended as natural, raise of trump if strong or preempt, 2♣ and NT bidding if are weak or strong, Michaels artificial or strong in old style bidding, Cappelletti having many variants. I tell it because occasional partner and lacking of time not allowing to define better it and also in "Profile" often there are not much indications. This can improve bidding avoiding many "misunderstanding" already present in bridge limiting important mistakes (others bidding can be added at my list). Thanks if it can be considered.(Lovera)

I think may be a possibilty if there is almost a top honor in diamond toghether A of club: how said double ruffing H/C then draw trump but one, ♦ J running ..

Infact other pairs had opened and closed 1NT-3NT. But partner may have considered a major room for bidding with 1♣ and having Aces and 9. I infact was on going to reverse heart when fit was revealed.

For me that play Stayman the 2NT bidding indicate a "complementary" hand of 13-15 points balanced, 16-17 for the 3NT bidding answering (nor less neither more points as in 1NT Stayman) : 1♥-p-2NT with ♠ KJ6 ♥ 96 ♦ AJ103 ♣ KJ98 and 3NT with ♠ AJ5 ♥ K10 ♦ AJ75 ♣ A1098 (The opener will have an exact knowing about slam possibilty) (From The Complete Stayman systeme .. pagg. 52 and 53 The answering of 2NT and 3 NT). It using Jacoby seems incompatible with it or if not by difficult conventional apply or snaturing a good natural system.(Lovera)

As Stephen Tu has pointed in his long and datailed post this slam is fragile and doesn't convein to bid it either for conditions to make that has to be sured reducing percentage or for information that partnership needs to have if approach and give at opp and this one i looked for (i did not want necessary in slam). About bidding forcing (1♥-3♥) a question :if i will use it and "alert" indicating "14-18 forcing " in box (in yellow) partner read it before make his bidding ruleing than consequently ? Yes, the assumption " if i have 3 ..." is a sillogism and this one often get off-road but, considering cards distribution already to have 3 honors seems to me a "lucky strike" let's figure two ones. To respond also to lycier, i have bidded four not thinking partner had more of two Aces and because anytime after having bidded 3.. pass. This honors situation happens where bidding is 1NT or 2♣ or 2NT, double etc than bidding showing force and this the aim to insert cue to indicate this "sort" of extra if you will grow up probabilities to consider it with success.

As cards lie to make slam needs trump 3-2 and that Ace of spade is leading before club suit. About requirement for RKB by W i actually don't think (but i'll consider subsequently) is possibile iniziate it. You are talking that if had bidded 3♥(=forcing 14-18) probably partner that has my same problem (i have 3 Aces partner cannot have 3 Kings..) to indicate force(=15-16) cuebidding diamond for have informations in spade with my cue(=17-18) and starting Rkb knowing after Kitng of spade get to six. Rightly now is easier to N to find club than it is riskyous. Although seems that cue is the way to indicate and signal for both the presence of three honors (E not has KQ in club). Infact only a pair has bidded slam (in NT although), bye.

As i have told i though partner had not three Aces having i three Kings (but now ..). About Rkb : i cannot with only a key whilest if partner do after query for Q we are on. But the problem that i try to focus is :how to manage(=read signal) these three honors (by both side) to consider ?Then is right that we had to have favoureble add but also we have a 4-4 fit and King of spade. Thanks for dialogue that always helpfull for informations and many wishes for these days, bye.

Let's say that consider 24% a (prudential ?) percentage with 2(=no) vs 1 that you can have it on yours line when visualize 3/4 honors. I have wanted to controll upon many hands having different rescountring for 1 concentration whilest few for 2 on same line. Today i have experiment on my home mixing sevent times cards every time i deal : first time 4/10 for 1 concentration, second time always upon 10 dealing all three possibilities are exited. I think it had to be considered and if anyone has already noticed it precedently if can talk about. When at table i saw three Kings i though that partner cannot have three Ace (infact ..!) than i ended in game. But probably i must review it, bye.

About honors concentration i has wanted (finding in My Hands database one mounth back-hands played on December) the frequence and i have found this : Hands with only one conc. (3 or also 4 honors) (the number is referred as number of order of the hand) balanced n. 10,17(4h),35(halfbal.),37,43,44(4h),57(halfbal.),58,70,71,90,92,102(halfbal.),106,122 (=tot.14); unbalanced n. 1,8,33,59,65(4h),80(4h),113,120,131,136 (=tot.10). Whit two concetrations on the same line or with an hand of opp: both balanced 4,20*,31,77(halfbalanced/balanced)*(=tot. 4) unbal/bal :62,69,100,137*(=tot.4)(*=on the same line). The percentage upon 137 hands played seems high to me if we consider that honors had to be distributed (hoping can be usefull), bye.