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Far too easy to bid a simple 4c (pick a major) and raise to 6 rather than waste a valuable call on duplication

I will be there 20 min early just in case.

I will answer what I THINK you want to know. You cannot make a suit switch and at the same time tell p their original suit was an ok continuation. You are switching primarily because you feel continuing partners opening suit lead is NOT best for the defense. Be aware of a couple of things about sequences. With xx(x) in dummy and you hold KQT98 your normal play is the Q asking for partner to unblock the A and or J. Note that the same Q would be led from QJT(xx). If you are going to continue the suit from QJT(xx) you would next play the LOWEST card in y9ur sequence SO from QJTxx you continue with the T and with QJT9x you continue with the 9 etc. Note that p assumes your Q shift asks for an unblock (unless the bidding makes that impossible) and if they do not have a top honor to unblock they will give count. I hope that helps.

PASS If p needed the club A for 7 they could have bid 6c instead of 6h. I have a simple rule -- if p opens or freely jumps to 6 of a suit ONLY raise if you have the A OR K of partners suit. This may only pop up once in a rare while but it is a really good rule when it does come up.

This type of bidding usually means a long running suit and it can be any of the suits except diamonds. It seems wildly unlikely leading a dia would give them the grand and leading the only suit we KNOW is not the opps long suit seems logical. Yes it would be cool to set 7n TWO tricks (or more) as we can easily imagine lho with a singleton/void in diamonds for this bidding. A AKxxxxxxxx x A or something like that maybe?

1900+ hits due to an interesting title (Donald Trump would be proud) I will try to be more explicit in the future. TY all for your time and replies. I am going to do some extra research on that 9 cards in the majors and invitational approach (for both sequences) since it seems to give opener a vastly superior method of bidding/avoiding game. The benefits of the other proposed methods are far less clear and seem ro require a lot more coordination to be considered "standard".

FWIW 3c simply a way of showing a singleton spade and 3s showing a void. The 3c bid does not have to promise club support since we already have a heart fit. If slam seems like a good idea opener can belatedly show club support if there seems to be a chance clubs will play better than hearts. The difference btn a singleton and a void can be huge so why not take advantage of the space below 3n to start looking for slam. void QJxxxxx AKQJ xx might be a useful hand for this type of treatment.

I remain a skeptic this is useful -- a long but crummy dia* suit near max and opened 1n with a singleton (in whatever suit opener bids). The willingness to play 2d with long hearts makes zero sense. AQx x Qxxxxx AKQ. All kinds of rebid problems (in standard systems anyway)if not open 1n over 2c opener would have to bid a suit at 3 lvl to show the same hand but with long clubs. This is a much scarier idea since responder could well be using emergency stayman. The number of hands that would fit this type of description would be pretty darn small and you need to be able to sign off in 3/4n if responder feels it is right so another set of agreements is needed on how to proceed if 3n or 4n are not deemed correct by responder.

We get out of the habit of looking for this so quickly it seems. Plus getting hammered virtually every time we play against JEC does not help hehe. ANYWAY I will show up around 20 min early just in case you need someone. Are you sure it is 2pm? I noticed Sunday we had the indy at 3pm just want to verify.

1n 2h 2s 3d This sequence shows more power than a normal GF since it is plausible we could end of in 5m (which we would convert to spades in this case) and it takes more power to make at 5 level then 3n or 4M. This is a fine start. We begin by showing opener where our 2 suits are and letting them reevaluate how their hand looks. This hand might belong anywhere from 3N <we wont play it there preferring 4s> (xx KQJT Kxx KQJT) to 7n (KJ Axxx KJxx Axxx and we need to take it slow to give ourselves the best chance of finding out where we want to play. It is still the job of opener (with no spade fit else bid 3<slammish> or 4<not slammish> spades or a cue bid <average>) to focus on NT vs the minor unless they have a slammish hand a a dia fit. This is a semi normal hand but the club suit can be a problem. I would begin with 3h pinpointing opener's problem with clubs. 3s by responder now sets trumps and shows slam interest 4c cue (3n could be bid now with only the club K so this is the ace and not much else -maybe the J) 4n rkc 5h 2 w/o 6s no 7 missing a key card especially with only 9 trumps <even if you knew it was the spade K missing) that same missing key card opposite know club weakness rules out 6n. 1n 2h 2s 3d 3h 3s 4c 4n 5h 6s

This lop offers the least chances for rho to ruff in early before we are ready to try and ruff a club small. We cannot make this if rho does not have at least 2 clubs and 1 heart and by playing our diamond winner at trick 5 rho has no opportunity to pitch losing diamond.

Assuming nothing in the missing bidding has given away declarer's distribution -- running 4 spades might encourage a defender holding say 3 small clubs and 44 in the reds to abandon (pitch 2) clubs for partner to stop and thus hugely swaying the odds in favor of ducking a club.

5 teeny clubs,when p looks to be short, makes this a wonderful offensive hand. We do not wish to bury partner for balancing however so we make the strong 3c cue to try to get partner to bid game.

2n Using the system as described. 2N gets us another chance to bid and we cannot afford to not be in game. The dia A makes this a hard hand to preempt in case the opps bid 5c. We do not have the values to show p a ton of stuff but we would like to see an x if perchance the opps continue to bid above 4s (either immediately or later). If p cannot do anything over 5c should we go to 5s? I am not sure. First we might not even beat 6c and there is no guarantee 5s will be a great sac (ie -300 or -500 are plausible).

I prefer using 4s as blackwood and 4n as being 2 places to play. Absent those this looks like a great bash to 6c and we can blame the preempts for us missing 7 when it is there. The chances of 3n being right seem to border on nonexistence and it is hugely unlikely p has a strongish 1 suited hand given our overall power. Expecting a normal tox and with lho opening the bidding the hand should be easy to play (even if it goes down sigh).

3c is fine 3h natural 3s normal and forcing keeps nt in the picture 4c very reasonable raise 5c a bit much with 3 little diamonds 4d/4n system dependent advancer inability to try 3n makes our hand golden advancer shows showing 2 keys 6d strongly suspect advancer has at most 2 spades we cannot verify advancer has 4+ clubs and they cannot hold both the spade Q and thejeart K needed for a grand so we settle.

there is nothing "robust" about this 13 count. I have a great deal of pride in my spade AK and club stop but nothing much else. Bidding more than 2n seems wrong and catering to spades with no worries in clubs seems like heading in the wrong direction.

make them enemies and put in player notes why you are making them enemies:))

Both show exactly 9 cards in the majors and invitational (1st can be passed with a fit and no game interest 2nd forced to 3s with no game interest) Both show exactly 9 cards in the majors 22 minors and slammish 1n 2c 2h 2s non forcing asking opener to pass with 3+ spades (part of garbage stayman) 1n 2c 2s 3h short hearts some form of 4144 or 4045 game forcing slam interest My personal favorite from the above is the first for its game seeking utility but there are a TON of ideas out there (fluffy's relay?) but it appears that "standard" is far from being defined here.

agree with the dia switch. As an aside -- normally 1n 2d 2h 4n is quantitative and 1n 4d (texas) 4h 4n is RKC

Over the past month I have seen at least 4 different treatments for the following auctions and I was curious if there is a "standard" treatment. Obviously my idea of standard is not as standard as I thought. No interference 15-17 Nt scoring should not be a factor. 1n 2c 2h 2s and 1n 2c 2s 3h they are indeed different but what the hey does everyone think they mean???

Try to develop a thick skin especially online where anonymity seems to bring out the worst in people (ever watch people drive cars?). Over 2d how about setting up a GF with 2s? Who knows what you will find out (opener has 3 hearts for ex and a single spade). You are not far off base thinking about slam with your hand so do not beat yourself up when you make reasonable moves but your partner has let you down. Relax and try enjoy.

Assuming that 2c bid is a limit raise+ in spades (was not explained but it seemed normal) hmmm that 2c bid seems sort of steroidish* but having gotten this far p knows our hand cannot be much better than what we are holding and they have asked us to go to game with a pretty fair hand and decent help in diamonds. If Axxx does not qualify p is looking for miracles. 4s A case can be made for 5d since this hand looks very much like one that will have a lot of distribution (ie bad spade split) and we might lose control BUT that is all speculation and playing 1 level lower might be the only way to succeed. If the opps bid 5c I will be much happier bidding 5d then since I am willing to sac (or even make) there. * as an unpassed hand would you bid the same way with an extra K? If so your limit raise + 2c bid range might be too large and you might be better off bidding 2s with your example hand (just a thought).

Beginning the same way up through 3n. I would have continued 4s voidwood. It is not possible to be to play since we had an easy 3s bid earlier. East must have the heart A and/or K for their 3n bid so we know all suits are controlled. 4s voidwood 5c 0 or 3 6d bid with a huge amount of confidence since we are missing the heart ace east must have the heart K for 3n and thus have at most a singleton club If east had shown 1 or 4 we could have tried 6c to ask for the club K (and show all the keys aside from the spade ace) as a great way to try for a grand or (expanding out a bit) 5n to ask for the "club" king and 6c to ask for the club Q Another question: if west had started with void Qxx Axxx AKQxxx would your bidding be the same (through 4d at least) and if so can you stop safely in 5d after the 5c voidwood with your extended replies? I like very much the 3h bid which can have great utility under a huge variety of circumstances. Oh 100% west for bidding a grand when they are conceivably (probably actually) missing a cashing ace

hard to be too specific but it seems best to duck the first club. Lho did not lead a club and yet begin with QJTxx(xx) spades. Rho has at least 1 spade honor. Lho is highly unlikely to switch to spades after their p gives them a positive signal. We need the opps help if we are to score 3 club tricks so ducking the first and wining the second with the A makes it appear to rho that lho began with KJT(xx) of clubs and makes it appear to lho that rho began with KQ(xxx) of clubs. Losing 1 club now cannot hurt so why not. Assuming we win trick 2 with the club ace. Trick 3 I would exit with the dia J from hand. I realize this could lose to the stiff K but if it does at least we know we make our contract as we get 2s 5d 3c 1h if the deceived opps continue clubs so we make up for the overtrick we lose by not plopping down the dia ace. The main advantage of the dia J is that it forces Kxx to duck a diamond and tempts Kx to duck as well (getting us a very undeserved? overtrick). We can score 2 dia tricks this way to go along with 3c and 2s and we can try for our 9th trick by leading toward the heart Q. We can do all of this w/o giving up on bringing in the dia suit for at least 5 tricks.