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My thoughts..I voted 2♦

Not sure that the hands are correct, but they should be sufficiently correct to illustrate the issue: [hv=pc=n&s=saqt76ha32d32ck32&w=s32hj456dT4567cAJ&n=sk45hq7dKQj98c456&e=sj98hkt98dacaqjt9&d=n&v=0&b=14&a=p1c1s(Spade%20and%20Diamond%20%5Bmostly%204cS%20and%20longer%20D%5D)d3d3hpp3sppp]399|300|MP's Club Tournament[/hv] Country: Belgium (Flanders) North-South are a regular pair (Belgian sub-top) that play together for more then 2 years. West is a very good player (Belgian top) who is playing with an occasional partner (and less good). 1♠ by South was alerted by North as Spades and Diamonds. This explanation was correct (N-S play part of West's system, so it is clear for everybody that this explanation is correct). South had bid too fast and should have bid 1♥ as transfer to ♠. (3♦ of North is rather preemptive) West leads a ♦ to give his partner a 'certain' ruff. East returns a ♥ because he thinks that his partner didn't lead a ♥ from ♥A.. Result: 3♠+1 for an absolute top for N-S. West thinks that the score should be adjusted (proposing 3♥C for E-W) with the following arguments: - N-S are playing together for a long time. So it is more logic to rule against misbids. They should know their system - Clearly E-W had a bad score as a result of the misbids. - 1♠ bid is a two-suited bid. It should be treated as Gesthem. And for Gesthem misbids it is generally accepted to rule against the misbidders. - this is a friendly tournament. South should have said that he had rebid before the opening lead; or should at least accept a correction of the score after the deal. => The Gesthem argument is put in bold because that one is most interesting for me: - I think I've read somewhere that Gesthem misbids are more easily penalized then other misbids (Maybe that is only a Belgian thing?) - If that is true; do you treat the 1♠ two-suited bid in the same way? Thanks, Koen Edit: I did add an initial pass for N.

2♠

I thought it was obvious to bid 4S. I entered the bidding and the hand in Jack and let him bid. He DBL's...for penalty. I created a profile with the bidding and the hand and these are the Par scores: - Lower then 4H or 4H down: ||||||||||||||||||||||| - 4S by W: | - 4S: ||| - 5Hx-3: || On one of the 5Hx-3 hands West was very strong and would DBL. On the other 4 4S and 5Hx-3 hands West had around 14/15 pts and a singleton/void H. Not sure if West should DBL again with that hand. 4H goes -3 on the 4S hands. => To my surprise Pass seems very clear.

Is it the better line?: It is better if LHO has: - ♠K and not ♠J - 4+c♦ - RHO finds a ♦ switch when winning CK It is worse if RHO has: - ♠K I'm not sure what is most likely. I think I would play both hands the same.

Thanks for the answers. This was the full hand: IMP's: [hv=pc=n&s=saj862h2dk97cqt83&e=Sq9hQJT8753dJTcK7&n=skt7ha6dq852caj64&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1d3h3s4hdp5dd5sppdppp]366|300[/hv] West leads ♥4: ♥4-A-3-2

I doubted that the DBL was really penalty. I rather thought it was a good 2155 or 2254 hand.North complained that I did bid 5♦ without a 5c♦, but I think he had an obvious 4♠ bid.

I did ruff a ♥ and did run ♠J, to keep the option open to finesse ♠7. But maybe that was not good, as I never could know to finesse the 7 next (unless when ♠ are 5-0)?

...Hoping to get some view on this...(Rainer? ;) )

[hv=pc=n&s=sa7432hkt8dk2ckq3&w=skt965h964dT53cA7&n=sq8hj7daqj7c98642&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1np3nppp]366|250|IMP's on BBO[/hv] Thanks of the answers. This was the complete hand. The actual play didn't really matter given the position of the ♥ honours.

Thanks Rainer. Don't you always need the Heart trick if RHO has Club Axx? I did run the spade from dummy (RHO not following), hoping that I could end-play LHO some time in spade for trick 9. How bad was that?

[hv=pc=n&s=sa7432hkt8dk2ckq3&n=sq8hj7daqj7c98642&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1np3nppp]266|200|IMP's on BBO[/hv] Lead is ♠T: ♠T-Q-J-4 Declarer next plays ♣ from dummy (agree?): ♣2-5-K-7 How (and why) would you continue from here? Thanks, Koen (I underlined the card that takes the trick; bold the card of declarer: is there any standard convention on how this should be done?)

This is in BBO. You don't know the real level of anyone at the table and also not their carding agreements. You suppose it is all standard. This is not a real special hand. I consider it as a normal hand and would like to know expert thinking for the play. (Like their once was an offer of a BBF expert to analyse play of normal hands) IMP's: [hv=pc=n&s=saj862h2dk97cqt83&n=skt7ha6dq852caj64&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1d3h3s4hdp5dd5sppdppp]266|200[/hv] West leads ♥4: ♥4-A-3-2 How will you play ♠? (and how will you cross to your hand if you want to) (You can comment on the bidding if you also suggest a play :) )

We didn't really agree MSS, but I would take 3♣ as forcing; also after the interference I would take 3♣ as forcing. But I don't think that in either case I would take it is as MSS after I showed ♥. ...Probably not a good problem for the forum, given all these uncertainties.

We didn't have a 100% agreement that DBL promises 4c♥, but we would both expect it to be 4c♥. I would take 3♦ from my partner as forcing, my partner wasn't sure of that. We played 4-way transfers (1NT-2NT transfer to ♦), so 2♣ does not always promise a 4cMajor with an invitational hand. I would take 2NT after the DBL as to play.

MP's [hv=pc=n&s=sa2hkj32da2ckj432&n=s3ha4dkq543cqt765&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1np2c2sdp3sp3n4s4np5dppp]266|200[/hv] My partner intended 4NT for the minors and I thought it was RKC for Hearts. My partner started with 2♣ and wanted to follow that with 3♣ as minor suit stayman.

MP's [hv=pc=n&s=sakt32haq432dkq2c&n=s54hj5da3ckqjt432&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2cp2h(forcing)p3d(4SF)p3hp3np4np6nppdppp]266|200[/hv] Seems like 4♦ is a better choice then 4NT. My partner could have bid 3♣ (GF in our system) iso 3♦.

We didn't 100% agree that DBL shows 4cH, but if DBL is takeout then it logically shows 4cH?

Yes Pass would mean: nothing extra to say. Most hand without 4cH. Yes, A good hand with Good 5cC or 6cC Why 5cD and not C?

[hv=pc=n&s=sakt32haq432dkq2c&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1sp2c(%5Bclubs%3BGF%20if%20followed%20by%203C%5D%20or%20%5B3cS%20and%20limit+%5D)p2h(forcing)p3d(4th%20Suit%20GF)p3hp3np]133|200[/hv] What do you bid now?

[hv=pc=n&s=sa2hkj32da2ckj432&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1np2c2sd(takeout%20%5B4cH%5D)p3sp3n4s4np]133|200[/hv] You play 4 suit transfer and partner starts with Stayman. If 4NT is RKC: you play 41/30. What do you bid now? (Partner did mean the bid different then I understood it)

Is 5♦ no longer asking ♠Q after the pass on 5♣X? Is that a clear agreement you have?

yes, right (I didn't really verify for a Club because it didn't feel like a good lead :) )

Everybody wrong, only a spade will defeat it?

[hv=pc=n&s=sak87ht654d63cq95&w=s9hq3dkq8ckt87632&n=sqjt6hak8dajt95c4&e=s5432hj972d742caj&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=p1dp1h2cdp2hp4hppp]399|300[/hv] DBL=support Would 2♠ iso 4♥ by North show extra's?