TWO4BRIDGE

A microscope...

Yes, 2NT in 4th would be natural... but I guess that stiff ♥J scared me, or maybe it repressed any consideration of it. My thinking is that 2C won't be passed out.

Ditto

All I can think of is 2C ....

Well, which is it in Walsh ? Responder ( I'll make the hand with definite GF values, 14 hcp ): A K K 9 8 2 Q T 7 5 Q 4 2 1C - 1D or 1H ?? The following folks say you bid 1H first because you MUST have longer Diam for a 1D bid: Ken mike777 aquahombre jmcw Max Hardy But the following say you can bid 1D first with 4-4 in the reds : MrAce sasioc han [ I may have missed some folks ] .

♠AQ965 ♥A10 ♦Q10 ♣10964 ♠K3 ♥Q3 ♦AK94 ♣AKQ53 1S - ( p ) 2C! - ( 2NT! ) 3C - ( 3H )4C![Minorwood] - ( 4H ) ?? ..DBL! = 0/3 ( DOPI-RKC ) ..pass! = 1/4 ..4S! = next step = 2 - cQ ) After: 4S! - 5D ( kickback for Kings ) 6C ( no outside K's )

With 4 cards ♣ support, it looks like North has an easy 3C ( rather than passing ) over the Un2NT.

I agree with you and the posters. Responder did not have a 1D Walsh response. Here is Opener's hand. The pathetic Hts resulted in 4H-1, whereas 3NT made: Opener Q 6 6 5 4 3 A K K J 9 5 3 EDIT: Perhaps the thread title should have been: " Steer Clear of 4H " ... and show both hands .

Meckwell offers a partial solution this problem: 1H - 1S 2D - 2S! = artificial GF whereas if Opener rebid 2C: 1H - 1S 2C - 2D! ( you have a cheap 4th suit GF ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - And as others have pointed out, you have "NMF" or xy-1NT over a 1NT rebid to initially force another round: 1H - 1S 1NT - 2C/2D ( whichever is more descriptive ) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - I still don't know how to handle the 2H rebid: 1H - 1S 2H - ??

So, if Responder has "real" GF values ( say 14 hcp ) and 4-4 in the reds, he shouldn't bid 1D... he bids 1H . ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ OK, let's say it goes: 1C - 1H 2H - ?? .......what do you rebid with Responder's 12 hcp hand here ?

Ken, does the hand need more strength or another Diam , or both for a 1♦ response,

Responder S: AK H: J982 D: QT75 C: Q42 Partner Opens 1C: You Respond 1D ( "Walshish" ) rather than 1H ( because of your strength ) . EDIT: Do you agree with the 1D ? .. or would you respond 1H ? Partner rebids 1H ( showing 4h and longer Clubs ) " Walshish" Part 1: Your rebid: 1C - 1D 1H - ?? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ EDIT: Part 2: See post # 9

5H .... asking for 6H with at least 2nd Rnd Ctrl in Sp

I have to agree with you that since our side has NOT made a Ctrl cuebid in opps' suit ( ♥ ) , that 5S! should actually be asking for at least 2nd Rnd Ctrl in ♥ to bid 6S. I was so enthralled with the Josephine Reply for trump quality ( named after Culbertson's wife ) that I overlooked that aspect. So, technically, 5S is not right, and your 5H! cue ( promising 1st Rnd Ctrl -- more than likely a Void, since you otherwise might have bid 4NT-RKC for Sp ) is better ! But that brings up another point that you addressed: Would it be too far-fetched for the 5-of-trump to mean: either/or ?? ... a ) trump quality or ... b ) Ctrl in opps' suit If partner had at least 2 of the top, it must be a trump quality-ask. If partner had One or none, it must be a Ctrl-ask. Here, however, you would have been in trouble if partner had ONE of the top 3 AND the K x or A of ♥. [ I tend to make the 5-of-trump bid with a void , ergo most of my 5M-asks are for trump quality ].

I have to agree with you that since our side has NOT made a Ctrl cuebid in opps' suit ( ♥ ) , that 5S! should actually be asking for at least 2nd Rnd Ctrl in ♥ to bid 6S. I was so enthralled with the Josephine Reply for trump quality ( named after Culbertson's wife ) that I overlooked that aspect. So, technically, 5S is not right, and your 5H! cue ( promising 1st Rnd Ctrl -- more than likely a Void, since you otherwise might have bid 4NT-RKC for Sp ) is better ! But that brings up another point that you addressed: Would it be too far-fetched for the 5-of-trump to mean: either/or ?? ... a ) trump quality or ... b ) Ctrl in opps' suit If partner had at least 2 of the top, it must be a trump quality-ask. If partner had One or none, it must be a Ctrl-ask. Here, however, you would have been in trouble if partner had ONE of the top 3 AND the K x or A of ♥. [ I tend to make the 5-of-trump bid with a void , ergo most of my 5M-asks are for trump quality ].

Wish I could accommodate you... but I can't . :( The opps' 2/1 ( non-GF ) sequence isn't that bad, but is suspect. I can show a GF auction w/long Hts, but no knowledge of the Diam suit as a source of needed tricks. I'd probably just end up in 4H as well: 1H - 1NT! 3C! ( may be artificial ) - 3D! ( asks ) 3H ( GF, long ♥; ♣ was artificial; anything else says ♣ was natural ) - 4D ( cue for ♥; denies ♠ & ♣ controls ) 4H

Marlowe... Read the previous post ( #9 ) . The 2D Opener actually had the weak-2H hand.

1C - ( 1H ) - 1S - ( 4H ) 5S! - ( p ) - 5NT! - ( p ) 7S where: ... 1S = 5+ cards ... 5S! = Bid 6S w/2 of the top 3 honors ...5NT! = Josephine = all 3 top honors ... 7S = counting on 5s, 2d, 4 or 5c, and 1 or 2 Ht-ruffs = 13

Sooo, what will be OP's opening bid with: x x A K A Q J 9 x 9 x x x Can't be 1D if 1D HAS to be "unbalanced" ... ergo has to contain shortness ????

One more point on "my style" for the 1D - 2C! ( GF) auctions. 2-level rebids of a Major guarantee 4 cards. 3-level rebids of a Major do not.

Isn't this an unbalanced 1D opening ? J x A K A Q J 9 x 9 x x x

Why would you overlook finding a 4-4 major fit ? ... Does Responder's 2C ( GF ) guarantee a 5+ card Cl suit.... No. ... Responder's 2C does NOT deny a 4 card Major. ... Opener's 2D rebid does NOT deny a 4 card Major ... You still have the entire 2-level to find/deny a Major fit. OK, if 1D guarantee's at least 5 cards Diam ( which I don't think it does: eg. 1 4 4 4), then I would think the 1st obligation for Opener's rebid would be to show a 4 card Major.

Hardy Style System: 1D - 2C! ( 2/1 GF... does not deny a 4 card Major ) 2D ( 1st obligation is to rebid ♦w/5+; still have the 2-level to find a 4-4 Major fit) - 3C 4C - 4D! ( Kickback when suit agreement at the 4-level ) 5D! ( 5th step = 2 + void somewhere ) - 6C

Maybe I don't understand this Multi. Opener has either a weak-2 ♥ or ♠ or a strong NT hand . If Opener's subsequent action showed the strong NT hand, what is the range ? It looks to me that with your 16 hcp, the grand might be a laydown. Edit: If Opener does NOT have the strong NT hand, then he only has ONE key card....

6H looks best, but the only way I'd get there is if the cards were dealt face UP !