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If I bid 3♠ and partner bids 3NT, then when I correct to 4♥ partner knows what I have. But if I bid 3♠ and partner rebids 4♦ or something, then 4♥ might just be suggesting a contract (maybe a moysian) now that 3NT seems to be unplayable. I mean, what exactly am I to do when I ask for a spade stopper and partner denies? We need to be in game somewhere and 4♥ could easily be the right resting spot. So I don't really see 4♥ there as a slam try. Why would we want to play a moysian when the long hand is taking the tap? If partner doesn't bid 3N over 3S, then we can just raise whatever minor he bids depending on our shape. We already usually have 4 hearts in this auction anyways unless we're 3325 or some hands with 4 spades (the latter being unlikely), and when we don't have 4 hearts we usually have a spade stopper, and when we don't have either of those we are very unlikely to want to play a 4-3 fit with the long hand taking the tap. On the other hand we often want to show or deny a spade control for slam purposes. I just don't think it makes sense to give away that option and make 4C an artificial try in hearts.

They should make the winning lead every time? Ok... Spades are 6-1 a lot of the time but it's "nothing to get worked up about"? I guess because they always make the winning lead vs 3N so it's a 0 % contract! I agree that getting to 5C instead of 3N on these 2 auctions doesn't really matter much but I think Phil is overstating things by quite a bit. I think overcalling 1N is quite bad. 3N was a good bid over it.

I would pass!

Was wondering about that on the bus home from work. Came to the conclusion that although I could easily convince myself that it was right, I could not so easily convince team-mates should it prove wrong. Why not? It is the percentage play in the suit in a vacuum when you have no entry to the long hand (ie you cannot unblock when its Jx anywhere). The only question is do the squeeze/endplay/whatever chances make up for the loss in the suit enough, and I would guess probably not since 3-3 diamonds is like 15 % less than a diamond to the ten.

I might just play a diamond to the ten immediately.

2S forces to the 3 level and 3H would force to the 4 level (or 3N).

lol

Hmm I would have thought a hand without 4 hearts and without a spade stopper would not bid 3N. This means a hand with a spade stopper and 4 hearts might have to just bid 3N without investigating, which is usually fine imo. It seems way more likely that responder will have some hand that is short in spades and wouldn't want to just bid 3N so tries 3S to see what happens (possibly passing 4H in a 4-3 or bidding 5 of a minor).

Why? Sounds like he had no spade stopper, maybe he was hoping we would bid 3N and then when we couldn't he would bid 5C. Since we bid 5H he had to bid 6C.

No blame this is normal. Blame your system.

2C

3N does not show a 6322 21 count come on and it also doesn't show 5332 19...

It also works on stiff 9 or stiff 8 with RHO unless I'm missing something can't LHO be 3253? Anyways I agree with a club I was too drunk last night I think :)

never drinking again

If you bid 3S you can raise hearts next and partner will know what you have! It seems like a big distinction whether or not you have a spade control. In this particular auction it will never get murky what 4H means later anyways, even over a 4D bid from partner you would not be bidding 4H as an offer to play in a 4-3. If you play walsh what is the point of playing double of 1S showing 4 hearts? If partner has 4 hearts he has a good hand and will either bid them or make a takeout double next. That seems like an artifact from the non-walsh days. Meanwhile whether you have 3 or 4 diamonds is a big distinction, just raising with 3 is not great and is why support doubles were invented in the first place.

Run the DT

10 + HCP, not 4 card support for partners major or 5 card support for partners minor.

That's a hell of an "Except for," though. A Day in The Life is on my extremely short list. As usual I agree with lobowolf, def a top 5 beatles song for me.

Interesting Adam I have always felt that feature has helped me a lot in the 3N vs 4M decision, and ogust leaves me guessing where partners side value is.

I like to play support Xs

yep

Yeah I assumed GF also I meant if game is too high blame our 2C bid heh

what? thats so random lol

Was just watching this episode of angel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shroud_of_Rahmon The main villain is JAY-DON

I was flying the whole day during your bday <_< Happy bday belated