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2) I think the general rules of using stop card should be seriously fixed. I think that requirement of stop after jumps in constructive auctions is somewhat ridiculous, while I think that it would be rather good to have stop used after each bid in competitive auctions. So in this sequence I wouldn't mind at all when opp just said yeah yeah and passed. (I don't even to bother to use stop, 1NT - stop 3NT really so meaningful pause! pass) If it happened after 3H opening, I'd feel different. 3) I think this is pretty much club dependent. In our club, we freely joke about hand while it's being played even though it might sometimes give some UI. (Though that UI might as well lead astray so they aren't taken seriously)

Nv mind. I couldn't count either.

On first one I let the spade run to my ten and take the club finesse. If this loses they must shift to diamonds but I still have good chances of getting 9th trick in hearts. Playing the Q could go terribly wrong if the lead was from J sixth. On the second one I don't have tricks to do any fancy safety plays. My 9th trick must be the spade Q when the club finesse fails. You could also be bold and assume the leader doesn't have 4♦ (some restricted choice might suggest this) and spade honors are split. Then you could let the first trick run to honor and ace, take the club finesse, duck two diamonds and now play a spade. This is an automatic extra chance in first when the leader holds Hxxx(x) xx xxx xxx(x)

Lead can't be from shortness, that would mean east has passed with QJTxxx(x) of hearts with likely club honor and something in spades too. So the lead is from Hxx or maybe Hxxx. To not prefer a diamond lead, likely holding is Qx(x). So 1327, 2326, 1426 seem to be the likely shapes. I'd try small to J, wins the stiff ten and ace and has the chance he jumps from Hx.

This is right on the border of bidding 5♥. If ♦K was an ace, I'd do that. Now I guess I have to do with heavy 4♥. X would say that I'm not certain where to play this hand (so more flexible). Here I know I want to play this hand in hearts so it's out of question. I'd be horrified when it continued X (5♣) 5♠.

We play simple X is T/O (balancedish), bids are constructive+ transfers. (2NT+ showing good 6+ suit)

What would partner's 4♣ mean instead of 3♠? Would it be a hand with good heart support? I guess we could also hold quite a good hand with hearts for this sequence so partner needs a bid to encourage a possible slam. So this means that even if partner has some kind of heart support, he has to bid 3♠ if that might be a better strain. Something like 7231 distribution perhaps. Considering this the pass starts to look a rather scary option. Our suit also play pretty well opposite a singleton honor. I think I'd bid (4♣ cog) just to keep partner happy, but just because I'm not quite as sure as Justin was that pass would be clear ev+

I think it would be best to use the kokish relay approach on one lvl. (It had some cool name in precision that I can't remember) So 1♥ is either hearts or some GF hand. This should probably leave you better placed than separating them to two bids. I'd also suggest to moving the club hands to 1♠. Aiming for that you can pass 1♠ from opener is way too small goal and it might even work at your disadvantage sometimes.

RKC is simple for asking the question and when you get 5H/S answer, but many have trouble with Q asks and some such and I don't really blame for that. This seems to solve exactly that problem. I think this won't really be an upgrade on RKC even with better agreements. At best you can win couple of steps for specific king ask. Sure this might be useful when minor is trumps but then you'd often rather also play kickback/minorwood or turbo. And it's quite a job to consider when this would be on.

I suggest you to check out my writing in the non-natural section if you are interested in more artificial rebids. I also use relays from responder even though the diamond is unlimited. You can probably make the structure a lot more efficient for your needs as your opening holds less shapes than mine.

Not forcing, though we maybe strain to respond bit more lightly than some natural systems. Any unbal ♦ hand you'd open 2♣ in natural system is opened 1♣. This structure is indeed easily adjusted to any system (natural or not) that just plays 1♦ opening unbalanced, ie. natural with balanced club or polish club. It assumes though that you open all 5M6d hands with 1M. I'm not sure if it would be possible to work those freaks in this system and I don't really care to even try.

We took a load off our strong club opening and switched to unlimited 1♦ opening. (Unlimited in sense that it's below GF) We used openers rebids as transfers even when it was limited but now we reworked the structure for purposes of differentiating ranges of 10-14, 15-17 and 18+ and keeping open the options for using relays and so on. This will be one lengthy post, but if go trough the trouble of reading it, let me hear your thoughts and places for improvement. Our 1♦ opening promises 3+♦, unbal hand and 10+ (6+relay points) or 19-21 bal, it has all the hands with 4♦ and longer clubs, although 74s and more extreme you often consider one suited. In a more natural context of unbalanced ♦, you can get more accurate GF sequences in comparison when opener holds 18+ hand. I will first list many sequences defining the following bids. In the end I will give bidding sequences for showing different hand types as opener assuming responder bids the weakest call (takes a preference/completes a transfer) 1D - 1H (Nat or GF relay) -> 1S = 4+C 1NT = 4S, 10-17 (If 3 card support of hearts, 10-14) 2C = 6+D 2D = 3H, min or 3H, 4S 15-17 or 4H GF or GF 6+D, 3H 2H = 4H, min 2S = 4S, 5+D, GF 2NT = 19-21 Bal 3C = 55+, 15-17 3D = 6+D, no 3H, 15-17 3H = 4H, 15-17 3S = 4H, 6+D, 15-17, 0-1S 3NT = 7+ solid D, with 1-2 tricks on the side 4C = 4H, 6+D, 15-17, C void 4D = 1471, 15-17 4H = 4H, 6+D, 15-17, singleton club 1D - 1H - 1S (4+C) -> 1NT = GF relay 2C/D = pref 2H = 6+H, 8-11 2S = 5+H, 4+C, inv+ 2NT = Nat inv 3C/D = Nat inv (45+) 3H = Nat inv 1D - 1H - 2C (6+D) -> 2D = Pref 2H = 6+H, 8-11 2S = GF relay 2NT = nat inv 3C/D = Nat inv 3H = Nat inv 3S = Splinter 3NT = To play 1D - 1H - 2D (3H min or 4H GF or 3H, 6+D GF) -> 2H = Min, 4-5H 2S = GF relay 2NT = Nat inv 3C/D = Short suit inv 3H = General inv 3S = splinter 3NT = To play 1D - 1H - 1S - 2C/D (Min, preference, with 32 in minors, pref clubs) -> 2D = 64 minors, min 2H = 3H, (54) minors, 15-17 2S = 4135/4144/4045/4054, 18+ 2NT = Invite with longer D 3C = nat invite 3D = Both minors with doubt about 3NT (no spade stopper or 3H), 18+ 3H = 55+ minors, 18+ 3S = 46+ minors, 18+ 3NT = to play 1D - 1H - 2C - 2D (Min, preference) -> 2H = 3H, 6+D, 15-17 2S = 4!S, 6+!D, 15-17 2NT = Inv with bad Ds 3C = 64 minors, 15-17 3D = 6+D, 18+ (With shortness?) 3H = 6+D, 18+ (Without shortness?) 3S = 64 minors, 18+ 3NT = 7+ solid Ds with more on the side than direct 3NT 1D - 1H - 2D - 2H (Min, 4-5H) -> 2S = 4351/4360, 15-17 2NT = 4H, no shortness (2452) 3C = 4H, spade shortness 3D = 6+D, 3H, 18+ 3H = 3451 3S = 2461 3NT = 3460 4C = 2470 4D = 1471 1D - 1S -> 1NT = 4+C 2C = 6+D 2D = 4H5+D, 10-17 (If 6D, 10-14) 2H = 3S min or 4S GF or 4H5+D 18+ or 3S, 6+D 18+ (This is a bit cramped bid which is the cost of making 2D NF) So to the all the wonderful things you can show: 1. Hands with support: Min with 3 card support: Transfer to partners suit and pass Min with 4 card support: Direct raise Medium with 3 card support: Make a describing transfer bid before raising partner (With the exception of 4351/4360 you transfer to hearts and bid spades) Medium with 4 card support: Without 6 card suit, raise to 3. With 6+D, splinter. GF with 4 card support: Transfer to partners suit and splinter/some other descriptive bid GF with 3 card support and 6+D: Transfer to partners suit and bid diamonds. GF with 3 card support and both minors: Transfer to clubs and bid 3D to show doubt about 3NT which might be due 3 card support or lack of stopper in oM 2. Hands with both minors: Min hand with (54), 55 or 46+ minors: Transfer to clubs and pass the preference Min hand with 6+4 minors: Transfer to clubs and bid 2D over 2C preference Medium with 55 minors: Rebid 3C Medium with 46 minors: Transfer to clubs and bid 3C Medium with 64 minors: Transfer to diamonds and bid 3C Medium+ with (54) minors: Transfer to clubs and bid 2NT (Denies 3 card support for major) GF with 55+ minors: Transfer to clubs and rebid 3H (With wilder shapes you can bid 4m) GF with 64 minors: Transfer to diamonds and rebid 3S GF with 46 minors: Transfer to clubs and rebid 3S GF with (54) minors: Transfer to clubs and rebid 3NT or 3D to show doubt about 3NT 3. Singlesuited diamond hands: (These deny 3 card support) Min hand with long diamonds: Transfer to diamonds and pass (With 3 card support you can opt which one you prefer to show) Medium hand with good long diamonds: Rebid 3D Medium hand with bad long diamonds: Transfer to diamonds and rebid 2NT GF hand with long diamonds and shortness: Transfer to D and rebid 3D GF hand with long diamonds and no shortness: Transfer to D and rebid 3H Solid 7+ diamond suit with just something little on the side: Rebid 3NT Solid 7+ diamond suit with more stuff on the side: Transfer to D and rebid 3NT 4. Hands with other major: Over 1H: Bid 1NT with any 10-14 and 15-17 unless 3 card heart support or 6+D Medium 4351/4360: Transfer to hearts and bid spades Medium 4S6+D: Transfer to diamonds and bid spades GF 4135/4144/4045/4054: Transfer to clubs and bid spades GF, 4S and no clubs: Jump to 2S Over 1S: With any min or medium 45 reds: Rebid 2D (With 1444 min you can try 2D or just transfer to clubs and pass the pref and hope for the best) With medium 46+ reds: Transfer to D and rebid 2H With GF 1444/0445/0454/1453: Transfer to C and rebid 2H With other GFs: Transfer to spades and try to untangle it with appropriate rebid then. There it pretty much is, hope you enjoyed and got some great ideas how I can maybe improve on this. I think it's a great improvement on the second best thing Gazzilli.

It feels quite natural that FP systems use relays because one of the main reasons to use FP is to get that one more important step. Because relay bidding uses room more efficiently (For describing one hand) than natural, it seems sort of waste to use forcing pass and then just use space consuming natural bids. (You get very little compared to playing precision with natural continuations) Of course if you count fert as a good thing in the system, there's reason to do it :)

With you guys classifying precision here, I'd like to know if you'd still include my current work of Decision Club under Precision. (Not that it matters, I'm actually just representing it here to be picked apart like Nigel said :P ) 1♣ = 15+ any without unbal ♦s unless GF 1♦ = 3+, unbal, 10-22 or so 1♥ = 5+, 10-14 (Usually no 4♠) 1♠ = 5+, 10-14 1NT = 12-15, bal or short ♦ 2♣ = 6+, no 4♦ 2♦ = Multi 2♥ = 10-14, Flannery Everything is followed with symmetric style relays. I guess it doesn't really fit cause 1♦ has strong hands in it but I don't know if there really is a class to put it in :) (Except the vague strong club)

I'd suggest you to read David's blog about bidding theory: http://dcrcbridge.blogspot.com/2007/01/davids-bidding-theory-introduction.html The main problem with that 1♣ opening is that it includes very much "one-bid hands" which are all very different from each other. (You may have any 5 card suit or any void) And you try to turn natural two-bid hands (55 shapes) into one bid hands. I think it gets much better if you move all the 54 shapes to 1D/H/S openings cause it takes lot's of strain from the 1C opening which is left showing balanced or clubs hand.

1. I think I might try 6♠. That should at least get the opps confused. And after it gets lightner doubled I retreat to 7♣ and let's see them leading diamonds now. (Still has the problem that we might be a trick short) 2. 3NT, consider it pretty close 3. X 4. Pass, but I think this is quite close too. 5. 2S

Why does everyone hate clubs so bad :( No, actually I haven't ever heard about using transfers over 1♠(1M?) - 1NT before, I assume it works much like gazzilli in principle but is it actually better?

I'd open 2D multi, and tell partner I forgot the system afterwards :P

I would start doubling with 2-3 points above minimum and good t/o shape. I'd pass with all of my first balanced range whatever it is, and minimum of the second range, and double with stronger. So I play 15+ club, but first NT range is 16-18, second 19-21, I'd have either good T/O with 17+ (could be two suited occasionally) or 20+ flat for a double. Partner's double shows values but couldn't bid over 3♠, so usually flattish hand. This is almost always left in.

Or you may go three down in your 3-3 fit. I'll pass too, I think we are beating this occasionally and when we aren't I usually don't like the contracts where we would be. There is even the best case scenario where opener opts to bid again with 5-5 or so.

I think west shows a hand that would want to pre-empt 5 clubs, but has too much defence for it. Well here east has everything covered, he can count partner to have either AAK or AKK and it doesn't matter at all in which suits they are, 6 should be a good contract.

LHO could easily (imho) also hold JT9 in hearts. (At least I would just lead randomly from sequence against slam) In this case there'd be a simple squeeze in majors. Anyways I'll basically follow Fluffy's line and try to read something to the position after all trumps.

Yeah, it does. I think it's quite easy in most cases cause the lead was likely a singleton. However if LHO started with K xx xx KJ 8th, we likely have trouble guessing the right distribution. Have to admit that as much as I like rhm's line of play, it might be a bit unpractical, since you are almost always winning by playing a spade towards queen and especially it wins when the squeeze line might fail. Considering the bidding, I'd assume LHO isn't too good player so I wouldn't assume he'd fire back the spade if happened to hold the king. Especially after taking the club ace to give him a "safe" exit.

NF Our structure is a tweak from Ambra and is sort of extended Rubens advances. So we have transfers starting from 2♠ here and lower bids are NF. Transfers to a new suit show invitational+ 6 card suit. (about 13+ points) Free bids thus show about 10-15 and five card suit or 8-12 6 card suit. GF hands with 5 card suit are a bit problematic but there are always ways around them. We have this same transfers theme going through whole system in various places and it's pretty nice.

Our structure is following: 3♣ minimum without void or monster with void 3♦ Extras but no shortness 3♥ Extras and some singleton 3♠/3NT 5 card good ♣/♦ suit 4x void Actually I have 3♦/♥ answers swapped in other partnership, I'm not sure which one is really better. Our 2NT promises always inv+ and 4 cards and balancedish. It can also be done with 3 card monster hand where you just want to ask some question and choose between small and grand. Third type that can bid it is hand with shortness that could make a slam with perfectly fitting double shortness. We had something like Qxxx AKJxx x xxx opposite AKxxxx Qxx xxxx - and after 2NT it was easy to bid the slam. We don't have fitjump in hearts which might of course do the trick also.