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Pokud mi nevadi riziko, ze spadnu dvakrat: Preju na stul srdci (co kdyby nahodou byl singl kral srdcovej na vychode, byl bych za blbecka... Trumfnu damou, hraju kara shora, impas proti trumfum. Kdyz sedi, splnim bez ohledu na bocni rozlohy. Druha alternativa je sedici srdce s puvodni rozlohou 4 west 2 east, ale to by si asi west netroufnul odhodit srdci, kdyz (odhaduju, ze jsem v drazbe srdce stihl rict) ma nejspis bezpecnou trefu.

I'd say it's a reasonable attempt - partner could be able to figure out the spade void - and with good values in the side suits go for the slam. I'd even say "nice try" if 5♥ goes one down :(

Declarer mistake IMHO. He should inquire about your carding agreements and visualize the club position. (As in "the club switch is NOT likely to be from KJ10x as declarer has spade points and diamond points AND is obeying a signal from his almost broke partner). So, with this information, go up with ace and finesse west for club 10. Defenders did a good job (looking at the table and basically asking partner whether he has a diamond honor or not :lol:)

Our way to 6♣ (yes, we made it <_<, but with a lot of mistakes :))) 1♥ 2♣ (GF or good 6card) 2♦ - 4 card, no extras promised 2♠ - GF 3♥ - that was a mistake :), the only bid that promises no extra length 4♣ - do something 4♦ - cuebid 4[NT] - Blackwood 5♥ - 2 out of 5 (obviously interested in diamonds :)) 6♣ - let's hope he passes this :) normally we could end in diamonds or notrump 1♥-2♣ 2♦-2♠ 3♦-4♦ (3♦ promises 5-5 or more, 4♦ is a slam try) 4♥-4♠ 4NT-5♥ (2 from 5 without the queen of ♦) 6♦ - and now I think that I COULD bid 6NT on the assumption that along with my 8 black tricks, 4 tricks can come from either red suit.

I'll probably get a lot of laughs here, but I pass. 1) Too good for 1#2 preempt 2) No shape outside diamonds 3) If player opens, I can bid 3NT and he'll get the general idea <_< 4) If opponents open, odds are that they end up in a lousy notrump contract :). Half of the time I'll be in the position to go for +200 easily, other half of the time there's at least a possibility to double 3NT if that makes partner lead the right suit, plus if my LHO is the strong one, odds are that partner could get in just once with his 4-6HCP and by that time see what is the right suit to lead, +300 More for no. 3) - I don't want to play 3NT unless my partner has anything like a full opener. I need three sure and reasonably quick tricks from him - and it's unlikely that he would have them if he fails to find a bid.

What about a simple 1♣-3♥-5♣-pass-6♣? Of course it's a bit risky, but the one that jumps to 5♣, denies the following: 1) 5+ spades 2) 5+ diamonds 3) 4spades and 3(4) diamonds 4) heart stopper So, he's left with clubs and diamonds - and that gives the opening hand a good probability that 6CL will be a good idea <_< Yes, it could turn out as a disaster against a weak NT hand with just three clubs :) - but unless you play 4♣ in any such situation as strong, and if you play x as negative, there's no easy way to bid, unless 4♦ would not guarantee a 5card.

[hv=s=sakxxxxhj10xxxxdxc]133|100|[/hv] Partner zahaji silnym bezem. Zadne specialni dohody nemate. Napadaji me nasledujici moznosti: 1) transfer do srdci a nasledne splinter. Najdu sice trefove vylouceni, ale zas muzu minout pikovej fit 2) transfer do srdci, pak opakovat piky, dokud to partnerovi nedojde :). Pak zase ale nenajdu trefovy vylouceni. 3) skok v pikach rovnou?

I'll double. We have values and noone may have a suit. If it continues 3♣ - p - p, I'll have to contribute 3♥. Since 3♥ immediately would be GF with a reasonable suit, partner will know that my suit can be a bit lousy...

[hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa5hj3dakqjxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Zahajite 1♦, partner odpovi 1NT, RHO dava kontra... Prislo mi v tuhle chvili jako dobry napad s 8 zdvihy v ruce rict 3NT a doufat, ze u partnera jeden zdvih najdu :). Smutny pribeh ale teprve zacina - LHO na moje 3NT rika 4♠... no, ze vzteku jsem dal kontra, spadlo to jednou, vsichni bohuzel hraji 5♦. Partner ma: [hv=d=s&v=n&s=sa5hj3dakqjxxxcxx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Co bylo kde spatne? Mame jen pokrcit rameny a pogratulovat souperum k pekne obrane? (To jsem udelal...)

Jdes trochu pozde :P - myslim, ze uz jsme si to davno vyrikali ;). Jo, neurazim se, obzvlast kdyz mas pravdu :). Kdyz budu mit 2NT s fitem, nemam az takovy problem. (Ale na druhou stranu, sled je to mozna vykonstruovanej, ale kdyz se pres nej dozvim to, co potrebuju, tak je to snad jedno, ne? :) - vim, ze davat negativni kontra s fitem je prasarna, ale v tehle partii bych moc rad nasel druhej fit a karovy vylouceni - pak by tam mohl ten slam byt...)

No ja to hraju obecne NF - v paraku spis 5-9, v tymaku spis tech 7-11 :P.

Ja bych se Lebensohla nebal - urcite to nemuze byt mysleno prirozene, partner neni ani jednobarevny, takze ten, co daval kontra, ted bude muset nabidnout nakou barvu... cekam, ze rekne 3 trefy s trilistem a 3 kara bez trilistu trefovyho (kdyz nechce hrat 3 trefy)...

[hv=d=n&s=sxxxhajxxxdqxxxxc]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Partner zahaji 1♣, RHO zasahne 1♠. Hrajete standard s delsi/horsi levnou a silnym NT. Mate nasledujici domluvy: Po zasahu 2/1 non-forcing (5-9) Negat kontra on 6 HCP. Co budete drazit?

Dusane, opravdu mam pocit, ze se porad dopoustis zbytecnych generalizaci. 1) hlaska je uchylna -> autor je uchylny. 2) hlaska je uchylna -> konvence je uchylna. Ani jedno z toho opravdu neni na miste. Bod 1) jsme uz vyresili, takze se podivame na 2). - v reakci na konkretni drazebni sled "hlaska je uchylna" nepochybne PATRI k tomuto sledu v celem jeho kontextu, nikoliv k pouziti nejake drazebni techniky. Pokud by misanek chtel rict "splintry jsou uchylne", urcite by to dokazal zformulovat tak, aby to bylo jasne. - uchylnost te hlasky je pro me v dane situaci dana predevsim tim, ze ta karta NESPLNUJE podminky splinteru. Splinter (aspon pokud si pamatuju z 90strankove knizky s nazvem Splinters) slibuje dobry (=dlouhy) fit. Kdyz bys zahajeni 1NT partnera dal transfer se ctyrlistem a nekdo ti tu hlasku zkritizoval, prohlasil bys, ze jsou tedy podle nej transfery uchylne? (Je to zamerne trochu prehnany priklad). Ja mam splintery rad, taky je jeste obcas udelam se trilistem, ale pouze ve vyjimecnych pripadech, kdy nevidim jinou cestu, jak vubec vydrazit spravny zavazek, nez se vedome odchylit od systemu. V tomhle konkretnim pripade jsou i jine alternativy, ktere me nenuti drazit neco, co nemam, tudiz tuhle alternativu povazuji za uchylnou (a to jak ve smyslu odchyleni od systemu, tak i v tom pejorativnim smyslu - proc dobrovolne lhat partnerovi?) K vytrhavani z kontextu: Kontext v tomto pripade (diskusni vlakno rozebirajici jednu konkretni partii) je CELA PARTIE! Pokud neni receno jinak, predpokladej jako kontext celou partii. Tedy - v diskusnim vlakne o konvencich by tebou citovana veta samozrejme byla utokem na konvenci splinter, v diskusnim vlakne o jedne partii je tahle veta utokem na konkretni (a nekorektni) aplikaci teto konvence. Taky bych zduraznil, ze by mne mrzel kazdy ucastnik, ktery ubyde - ale zduraznil bych, ze by me mrzelo predevsim to, ze nekdo odejde kvuli zbytecnym nedorozumenim - a myslim si, ze obe vyse uvedene generalizace (a spatne vnimani kontextu) opravdu nejsou nic jineho, nez nedorozumeni. Nema to co delat s generaci nebo respektovanim nazoru - tedy az na to, ze mladsi generace holt pouziva ostrejsi slova - ale kdyby misanek misto uchylna rekl spatna, nesmyslna nebo cokoliv jineho, porad by to nemenilo nic na faktu, ze mluvil o konkretnim pouziti te hlasky v tehle partii, nikoliv o splinterech obecne nebo o Tvem charakteru obecne.

No, v tomhle konkretnim pripade se uchylnost hlasky vyvraci/dokazuje docela snadno :D - pouziti splinteru je v odborne literature vzdy svazano s dobrym (mysleno dlouhym) fitem. V situaci, kdy ti zdatni souperi stihnou jednou az dvakrat trumfnout, nez dokazes snapnout prvni trefu, ztraci dany list na sile, protoze partnerovi pokryje pouze 1-2 zdvihy v trefech (ze statisticky ocekavaneho 3-4listu u partnera). Ja osobne jsem o uchylnosti teto hlasky pevne presvedcen (a to z pozice cloveka, ktery ji v ne tak uplne davne minulosti mnohokrat pouzil, nemaje nactenu patricnou literaturu ). Pouzil jsem spojeni "zcela urcite" prave proto, ze uz jsem si mockrat nabehnul a kdyz to nahodou bylo dobre, tak jen diky nejake shode okolnosti (napr. souper na vynosu nemel trumf apod)... Vyvratit uchylnost hlasky lze normalnimi argumenty. Je uplne jedno, jake pridavne jmeno pro oznaceni te hlasky pouziju... uchylna, spatna, mis-informujici, co ja vim... Sam rikas, ze s misankovymi argumenty souhlasis, pouze se Ti nelibi pouzite pridavne jmeno - tudiz nevim, proc bys chtel uchylnost te hlasky najednou vyvracet. Doufam, ze se dokazes smirit s ponekud agresivnejsim slovnikem nasi generace a nevytratis se.

Respektuji tvuj nazor, ale ne pouzite pridavne jmeno. Na muj vkus presahuje z roviny hodnoceni hlasky do hodnoceni vlastnosti pisatele. Dusane, neber to tak vazne... je potreba rozlisovat: 1) uchylna hlaska 2) tohle by rek jen uchyl 3) jsi uchyl Presahovani z roviny hodnoceni hlasky do roviny hodnoceni vlastnosti pisatele v tom dle meho netreba hledat - a rozhodne to neni otazka vkusu, ale bezneho chapani a pouzivani jazyka. Kdyz ti jazyk dava tri moznosti, nemel bys svym "vkusem" podsouvat ostatnim, ze tyhle moznosti nerozlisuji. Nechceme prece, aby nase vzajemna komunikace byla svazovana pekelnymi uskalimi politicke korektnosti, kde se misto "hovno" rika v lepsim pripade "nikoliv", v horsim "obavam se, ze vase informace neni uplne spravna". Jinak receno: Kolik jsi v zivote udelal blbosti? Urcite aspon jednu. Znamena to, ze jsi blbec? Neznamena. Konkretne tahle hlaska uchylna je zcela urcite - nehraju bridz moc dlouho, ale uz jsem se stihl naucit, ze splintrovat se trilistem je ve valne vetsine pripadu spatne (a nemam to jen z chytrych knizek, ale taky ze spousty nesmyslnych zavazku, kde tech snapu proste nebylo dost).

I'm not really sure if this message will make it past the BBO rules as it might be considered defamatory and it is definitely going to point fingers, but I intend it as a service to other bridge players on the net and I think that I can serve an unbiased version as I'm no longer so much pissed as when it happenned. I run a small informative website for our local bridge club, listing events, results and other information, contacts to other players in town. A few days ago I received the following e-mail: I thought it sounded a little like traffic-soliciting spam and decided to find out, asking the person in question (mandy@bridgecorner.com) which of my sites was she referring to :P. I received no reply, but later that day I found out that my S.O. received the same e-mail. She definitely runs no bridge sites, her e-mail just happens to be in the addressbook on my site, along with about a hundred other players. (So I can presume that others were quite likely hit by this spam as well.) (Needless to say, I never got any reply for my e-mail). That leads me to a simple conclusion - whoever is sending out those e-mails on behalf of bridgecorner.com, they are people whose only aim is to get increased traffic on their site and who are willing to lie and deceive in order to do so. I decided to post this as a warning to all players to: 1) Avoid the site in question (as it's owners definitely have no scrupules and will most likely abuse your personal data for commercial spam) 2) Spread the word to other bridge communities

Taky si myslim, ze to delas zbytecne slozity - na 3♦ jako prvni GF s trilistem pikovym reknu 3♠ VZDYCKY, protoze se na to partner nejspis pta - proste naturalne dodrazim rozlohu - ne nutne se slemovejma moznostma, proste a jednoduse prirozena drazba.

No, po 3♦ prijdou 3♥ pouze v pripade, ze nema ani 5 trefu ani 3 piky - a v tom pripade reknu v poklidu 4♥, kdyz nechci do slemu, nebo 4♦, kdyz do nej chci. Cekam, ze na 4♦ uz by se partner probral a ukazal pikovy eso, kdyby ho mel - a jestli ho nema, tak jsou 4♥ asi dobre.

1♥-2♦-x-pass 3♣-p- muzu ted uplne v klidu zadrazit 3♦ - vim, ze partner ma 3514 nebo neco podobneho - a ted se dozvim co (karovou zadrz nema, takze mi urcite ukaze pikovy trilist nebo trefovy petilist - a pokud rekne 3♥, nejspis ma 2524 - a pak uz ten slam potrebuje docela hodne. S Lebensohlem by 3NT rovnou mely byt GF na pikach.

No, 1) mas blbe nastaveny hodiny ;) - nekde v preferencich si to oprav, ja to postoval pred devatou a miron odpovidal pred desatou nebo tak neco :P. Naproti bylo neco jako void-Qxxx-J10xx-KQxxx. Pospichalova uplne nesmyslne rekla 4♠ - a mne se s touhle kartou zdalo, ze 5♣ bude dobra hlaska, protoze pokud ma partner ostry pikovy drzeni (napr. A10xx, ne KQx), porad tam muze byt slem - a on si moji kratkost vypocita... nechtelo se mi riskovat flek proti desetifitu. Kazdopadne se taky spis priklanim k tomu pasu... do 3NT nevidim, kde budem delat zdvihy - 3 pikovy, karovej a srdcovej - proti prazdny ruce muzu i spadnout, proti slabejm kartam splnim jen zridka (idealni rozloha). Pokud partner se svoji pikovou kratkosti nebude mit reopen, 3NT budou spis na haluz nez na cokoliv jinyho - klidne muzem mit 26-27 bodu a stejne zhucet. (Dej partnerovi KQ v trefech a K v srdcich, souper vynese od svyho AJ10xxx v karech a je cas udelat detem papa :)). Asi bych zapasoval a doufal, ze partner ma bud 5list na reopnuti nebo par bodu a singl pik na reopen kontra, ktery s radosti pasnu :). Ale je fakt, ze je to strasne tesne rozhodnuti...

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=sakq52haj8dkqcj103]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Souper pred vami zahaji 2♠ (normalni blok). Co budete delat?

4♠ rovnou mi prijdou jako straslivy underbid - a drazit to pres nejakou systemovou hlasku, ktera v zasade slibuje FB, to akorat nese riziko nakyho spatnyho fleku... Je fakt, ze asi nejmensi zlo je rict 4NT rovnou - kdyz partner bude mit 4 z 5, zeptam se jeste na damu - a kdyz nebude, budu se modlit, ze z tech 5♠ nespadne :(. V kazdem pripade je to asi nejmensi zlo z hlediska toho, ze mam kontrolu nad drazbou ja...

[hv=d=n&v=n&s=s109xxxhqjxxxxdxcx]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] Partner vam zahajil 1♠. Co budete s takovouhle kartou drazit? V nasem systemu 4♠ slibuji 5 piku a vylucuji slam i proti maximu partnera, 3♠ jsou blok se ctyrlistem (tak nejak primerene, 2-5HCP zhruba). Moc me nenapada, jak takovouhle kartu prodat - zatim se mi jako nejlepsi varianta jevi pas :rolleyes: - spolehat na to, ze to souperi jednou levnou reopnou a ja pak zasplinteruju :) - ale dobrej pocit z toho nemam... Samozrejme bych s tim moh rict 2♠ a doufat, ze kdyz partner neco rekne, jeste tu kartu prodam...

1) Given the vulnerability, I will try 3♠. Since the spade freebid promised anything between 3-8 HCP and 4card, I'm not promising anything that I would not have - and I know that partner with 4 spades and 2 hearts will NOT bid 4♠ over 4♥. 2) 4♠ cue, hoping partner RKCs 3) Depends on methods - What have I promised by 2NT? What has partner promised by 2♣? He can have a lousy 12-13HCP with 4 clubs, no real way to make 12 tricks. (With my methods, I'd bid 3NT directly, showing 15-17 bal with 5 spades) 4) Heart queen, don't see any reason for any non-standard lead. 5) Crossruff leads to 11 safe tricks, but playing MP, I'd be tempted to take the risk of clubs being 2-2 and either spades or diamonds behaving. The sleeping gentleman probably already forgot about spades being bid and led honestly fourth best, showing that spades could behave. If I could trust the opponents to signal count in trumps, I could postpone the decision one trick by drawing one round of trumps - and if they seem to be 2-2, draw one more and then play on crossruffs. Catching Kxx in diamonds would mean neat +2, +1 has its chances too.