luis

Unassuming, may or may not have support, good hand.

I hate 1NT with 5 card majors unless the major suit is really very bad (Jxxxx, or Txxxx or worst)

Penalty double no doubts.

2 clubs, I don't want to play 1 diamond.

Luis Any chance that I could get you to consider the Frelling 2D opening. I think that it is theorectically stronger that the 2D opening that you are considering. Frelling 2D = 4+ Diamonds, 4+ cards in either major Could be 4432 but not 4441/5440 Advantages include: 2D is natural. CHO can and will frequently pass 2D. This puts much more pressure on LHO who needs to immedaitely clarify many more hand types. 2D is very frequent (including 4432 hands in the opening does wonderful things for the opening frequency) 2D is constructive: I have a nice response schedule that allows you to comfortably explore for the best part score/game. Do you have a short summary of the development after 2d since it can be 5-4,6/4,5-5 etc? I'd like to open something with 5/4 weak hands with both majors and thus I like the current 2d structure. I might consider Frelling I'm not sure :-) but I'm getting help here :-))

Updates: :-) So far so good many good ideas I changed the 2d/2h/2sp openings: 2d = weak 5 cards in a major and 4+ in another suit (may be both majors). 2h/2s = Weak 2's Ogust style. I also added Rado's style to the 1d opening, always 4+ diamonds, with 4441 we open 1h. 1d is never balanced because we open 1NT with 12-15 HCP.

We are in sync in this one Ben :-) My last natural 4NT was: 3s - dbl - p - 3N p - p - 4s - 4N And now pd who passed 3N happily decided to tell me how many aces he held. Grrrrr....... Does this always happen to me or you have experienced similar disasters ?

1. I think it should be RKCB in diamonds. 2. To play Luis

What was the complete auction. You must determine if 4NT in the given context could have had another meaning, if so you can adjust the score to the most favorable result to the non-offending pair (example 4NT down 2) or similar. A procedural penalty is also a sure thing. In BBO tourneys I think that the best way to do a PP is to warn the player and suspend him from 1 tourney after 3 warnings or PPs. You must keep record of PPs in your torneys if you want to do ir but serious directors should do it. 4NT might have been: a) To play if they were at the 4 level :D Cuantitative over a NT bid c) RKCB in some suit

Thanks for the very good ideas. I think I love the 12-15 range, first of all the 24HCP games after 1c-1x are exactly what I'd like to be playing, I like agressive games and making 1/3 is a good bussiness. The other great thing about 12-15 is that it includes 15, the magic number, so when the 15-17 NTers are playing their tighter games after for example 1N-3N we will be playing a game too after an invitational sequence and acceptance. No playing game when the panel is surely playing it is a major liability.

Thanks Ben but note that I'm not playing a relay system, if I introduce relays here better play full Moscito :-) I don't want to have sequences that must be remembered or memorized so I prefer to keep opener's rebids as natural as possible After 1M-2c - new suit = 5/4 - 3c = 4 card support, good opening - 2M = 5/6 cards - 2N = 5332 with 2 cards in clubs

Not exactly flytoox. I'm using a simple structure over limited openings: 1N is semi forcing including invitational hands. 2x is game forcing with the exception that balanced game forcing hands start with 2c as well as hands with 5+ clubs.

Can you please turn off flood control ? This phorum is never flooded and I can't post two answers without waiting 30 seconds. It's irritating :-)

Interesting point Richard, but then what do we use 2N for ? And what do we do with our 3c preempt ? I don't want to give up a 3c preempt. I'm sure you may have some ideas. Hi Luis To answer this I'd need to understand how you currently treat 3C/3D opening bids. I am assuming that you are using 3C/3D as "standard" preempts. I would rearrange the structure as follows: 2N = Either a "standard" 3C preempt OR Bad 3 level preempt in Diamonds 3C = Preempt with both minors 3D = Constructive 3 level preempt with Diamonds ---------------- I see a couple major advantages to this inversion: 1. Weak with at least 5/4 in the minors is significantly more common than a "standard" 3C preempt. Using 3C as 2 suited with minors significantly improves the preemptive effect of your system without harming your constructive auctions. 2. You can now differentiate between good and bad 3 level preempts in Diamonds. I like it, I'm going to discuss it with my pd. Thanks Richard.

Thanks for the link, I'd like to read the development of the sequences after 1M-2c Specifically responder 2nd bid For example: 1M-2c 1M always 11-15 5+ cards a) Opener rebids 2h z) Opener bids 2N c) Opener bids a new suit

My guess is west and a kibitzer. I can't see any other solution to this problem.

Yes, there is a difference. If you ask in a suit and bid 6N your strongest suit is usually the suit where you asked for keycards, now you bid 6N to protect the lead or other reasons.

Interesting point Richard, but then what do we use 2N for ? And what do we do with our 3c preempt ? I don't want to give up a 3c preempt. I'm sure you may have some ideas.

We play 5 card majors 11-15 (strong club) We plan to use 1NT as forcing and 2/1 as game forcing with 2c as a relay that can be either GF with clubs or GF without a 5 card suit and no 4 card support (examples 4432 hands and 4333 hands) Do you have experience with such a bid? How do you continue?

I have a new pd for the 2004 season and I hope that for the next seasons as well. We have outlined the basics of a very simple system and I'd like to know what would you add to the system, what do you think it's very important and we are forgetting ? Do you have experience with such a system? 1c: 16+ any 1d: Precision style 11-15 1h/1s: 5+ 11-15 1N: 12-15 balanced no 5M 2c: Precision 11-15 2d: Weak 2 in a major 2h/2s: Muirderberg 5 in the major 4 in a minor (2s can be s+h) 2n: 8-11 5/4 in the minors Over 1M we play forcing NT and 2/1 GF, a 2c 2/1 bid may be balanced without a 5 card suit to bid or game forcing with clubs. Over 1c we bid 1d as 0-7 1h,1s,1n,2c,2d are TRANSFERS *1s balanced* and 8+ After 1c-1d 1h is a power relay 20+HCP others 16-19. Any ideas will be considered

No need to alert but if you want to say that you frequently ask for KCs in a side suit you can do it. I'm sure it is not needed by regulations.

There's no "evaluation" in hands like this. You get a balanced 13 count, you are playing a weak NT, you open 1NT. I'm amazed by sighting of this as a problem and depth of analysis by some players. You shouldn't waste analisys and your evaluation skills in this situation.

So you hold S – K7643 H – A954 D – 4 C – A83 And open 1 Spade in 2nd seat!! Playing 2/1, partner bids 2D holding S – J85 H – K63 D – KQJ98 C – K4 You will end up in 4S, one trick (at least) too high Or partner might bid 2C with S – A82 H – Q3 D – QJ5 C – KT932 Once again, one trick too high. I am not against a weak opening approach, but it does NOT mesh well with a disciplined 2/1 system I had the honor once to have played with the master, Barry Crane. These hands, were of course opened, but we played Drury in ALL seats. That does not fit in with the 2/1 system I play now. For every single bid, every single convention, and every opening style there are a lot of hands that will produce a bad result. I'm sure you can construct a lot of hands where opening 1s will lead to a bad result, I wonder why you didn't produce one where 1s is doubled for 1100, it's an easy task. What matters is what happens in average. The modern approach for bridge dictates that you must open this kind of hand because IN AVERAGE it will lead you to a better result. You can say you don't like it but please don't send silly examples where it won't work because that approach is a complete nonsense. Do you want me to post examples where opening 1s leads to a good result while passing is a disaster? Individual examples are not important, what counts is the best average action, you must understand this.

I think this is almost standard. A game forcing hand that can't double 1NT, usually a distributional hand, a 6-5 or similar since this is already a passed hand. Example: KQJxx, Qxxxxx, x, x You can't open anything logical and now you can't double 1NT but want to play some game....

I totally agree with this, but I know about none of you play 1 sp as forcing here, since an earlier post. But I am one of the sane :D people that just rebids 1 sp. And after that the auction has no problem at all. 1D- 1H 1Sp- 3 D 4D = RKC for D and still have possibility to sign of in 4 NT That being said, I therefore think of all the bad bids, 2 SP is by far the worse. By rebidding 2 SP y are suggesting an unbalanced hand with long D and better spades. AM I really the only one that plays a natural system, kinda, that actuallu thinks ahead ??? Mike :lol: I play 1 over 1 as forcing too.