Justin, Yes, it's real. It caused a spirited discussion. Under the old scheme this was never an issue because 1H-2S was a different call. Admittedly, there is much argument for playing 1H-2S as a weak jump shift to begin resolution of this issue (and other parallel actions). Adam, For clarification, we play 1M-2M-2M+1 as a generic game try ask (along the lines of Nagy game tries), and we often will raise on three cards to an honor. We open all 10's that are 4-5's with shortage and all 11's. I'm starting to reconsider using the current definition we have of KI, and view other alternatives.