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Beware of using this blind evaluation: you may end up counting 2 losers fot both Qxx and Axx, which obviously cannot work: e.g. Axx(x) = 2 losers ALWAYS Kxx(x) = 2 losers only with A onside, so about 2.5 losers Qxx(x) = 2 losers only with both AK onside, so about 2.75 losers This scheme is adjusted adding other honors, but the principle is to account for the probability of simple(double/deep) finesses working or not, given the bidding. Also, in evaluating "half losers", take into account the positionality (likely location of opps honors given the bidding), wasted values in opps suits (deevaluate), singletons/voids in pard suit (deevaluate). your hand: KJ1076 = KJT = 2- losers K103 = 2.5 losers 6 = 1 loser K1097 = 2.5 losers total = 8- losers ------------------ However, the LTC should not be applied blindly: it is likely that most values are onside (RHO pened), so most finesses should work, in which case the hand may be upgraded to, say, 7-7.5 losers, a marginal opening bid strength. E S W N 1C 1S P 2C x ? The real question now is: in this bidding sequence, what is the meaning of pass ? After RHO double, you are not forced to bid, so you might: 1) pass with minimum overcall 2) bid anything with a close-to opening hand 3) yes, I forgot redouble, which might how a max overcall, say some 15-17 hcp overcall My choice is a 2S bid, which in my opinion should show more or less your hand: close to opening bid, no biddable side suit (clubs is opps suit). If pard then invites, I will pass.

Whatever your defense vs strong NT and weak NT, I strongly suggest that against strong NT, in the BALANCING SEAT, you use the same defense used against vs weak NT, in order to be able to show that we have the balance of power despite opener bidding a strong NT. The reason is that when bidding goes 1NT-pass-pass-? The situation is often the same regardless of the NT range: responder is either weak, or has something but not enough to bid; even when responder has something, often hcp are split and a partscore battle may be justified, especially at MP. Obviously, if responder is broke, there is still possibility of bidding game espite strong NT opening, and at least a partscore. In these cases , regardless of the NT strength, it is useful to have ways to compete *with a grain of salt*, but also ways to show that we have the balance of power. Therefore I am against the use of purely disruptive methods (e.g. Dont/Meckwell) in the balancing seat vs strong NT. This will be especially helpful when some opp opens a strong 1NT in the 3rd position stealing 1 or 2 hcp, to preempt our side.

I see your point, and it certainly has merit. One of my considerations was the following: it is true that weak 2-suiters are more frequent; but it is also true that many times weak 2-suiters are misused, e.g. the bids are used with bad hands which will not buy the contract and opps will play double dummy. If we exclude the hands which only superficially are suited for 2-suited bids, the frequency of their occurrence- while still superior to 16-18 2 suiters - lowers down. On the other hand, removing strong 2-suiters from 1C greatly impacts ALL the 1C structure: it is easier to manage opps ovetrcalls and preempts, and nail them when they get frisky. In any case, there is a way to improve the frequency of 2S and 2NT as strong 2 suiters openings: if I define them in terms of 4-4.5 LOSERS and not of hcp, I will also include more distributional hands, even if < 16 hcp (usually 65/66). E.g. all the following qualify to 4 loser requirement: AKxxx-AKxxx-xx-A KQJxx-Axxxx-Ax-A KQJxxx-KQJxx-x-x AQJxxx-KQxxx-x-x I wonder if also including more preemptive openings which still comply to the 4-loser requirement will work (usually 66 or better), e.g.: QJTxxx-KQxxxx-x- void Axxxxx-KQxxxx-x- void By immediately bidding the strength in terms of loser, we anticipate opps intervention, with both the 16-18 55 and with the <16 65/66s (usually complying the 4-losers requirement), improving the frequency of occurrence.

Hi all ! Yet another post to ask opinions on ideas. Before the questions, I'll briefly summarize the system we are currently play, and after that I'll state the questions. THE SYSTEM 1C = 16+ except 4441 17-20 (opened as 2D Multi) 1D = nebulous: either max 15 with 4+ diams (may have 5cM only if 65), or balanced, 13-15, when NV, 1st/2nd seat, 11-13 otherwise (depends from 1NT opening range) 1H/1S = 5+ cards, max 15 1NT = 10-12, NV, 1st/2nd seat, 14-16 otherwise 2C = either 6+ (or a great 5 bagger), or 5C + a side 4cM 2D = Multi = weak 2 or 17-20 4441 2H = 4441/5440/5431 short in diamonds, no 5 card major 2S/2NT = UNDEFINED (Yet) 3X = standard preempts 3NT = broken minor 4C/D= Namyats 4H/S = preempt etc.... ----------------------------------------------- The questions As you can see, we did not define yet 2S and 2NT openings, and we are trying to decide how to use them. I know that many pairs use them for 2-suited weak bids (Muiderberg, Unusual, etc). This is certainly a distinct common sense possibility. Their fequency should be higher than stronger bids; however, the frequency of employment will be lowered by other factors, such as unfavourable vulnerability, seat considerations, etc. But yes, this is a distinct possibility. However, after making several simulations on strong club openings, it suddenly occurred to me one thing: THE MOST DIFFICULT HANDS TO BID ARE MINIMUM (16-18/19) TWO SUITERS ! These hands: 1) are VERY vulnerable to opps overcalling and bouncing at a high level 2) if pard responds 1D, they are not easy to bid; this is secondary, one may as well employ the Ultimate Club bids to 2S/3CDH to show the lowest of a touching 2 suiters and 2NT to show a generic non touching 2-suiter 3) unless using relay systems- which is not the topic of this post - if pard makes a positive response, it is often awkward to find a minor suit fit In other words, minimum reverse 2-suiters often bring trouble, both in contested and uncontested auction. So, I thought, why not open strong 2 suiters with 2 dedicated bids, immediately, removing them from the 1C opening ? 2S = generich touching 2 suiter, 2NT = positive asks, GF (with bad hand, bid a suit as pass/correct) then opener bids STEP (transfer) BELOW his 1st suit up the line, eg 3C = D+H, responder sets the trump suit below game 3D = H+S, responder sets the trump suit below game 3H = S+C, responder sets the trump suit below game 3S = C+D, responder sets the trump suit below game ; 2NT = generic non touching, 3C = positive ask (with bad hand, bid a suit above 3C as pass/correct), then opener bids STEP BELOW (xfer) his 1st suit up the line; eg 3D = H+C, responder sets the trump suit below game 3H = S+D, responder sets the trump suit below game Advantages: 1) when they do occur, easier bidding; 2) even when they do NOT occur, the 1C openings benefiit from excluding them from the opening: it is easier to defend vs opps preempting, AND it is easier to develop the auction even without intervention, especially when responder is balanced (usually opener will be either balanced or one-suiter; if two suiter, he'll have a battleship 19+) Disadvantages 1) Less preemption: but if preemption is a plus, also PROTECTING our strong openings from preemption is an advantage 2) 2S and 2NT do not promise immediately any suit: so opps may overcall; but I suppose that anyways responder will know at the second round of bidding immediately both suits I would greatly appreciate comments: a. do you think it is silly to give up weak 2-suiters to use these bids for 16-18 2 suiters ? b. if I should employ them as strong, how do you suggest to handle interference ? E.g. Example 1 2S/2NT-(3X)-? pass = ? X = ? 3 of a suit = ? cuebid = ? Assume opps are Non Vuln: If X by responder is penalty, should opener with a singleton in opps suit leave it in or pull ? Not many times we'll get rich doubling them at 3 level when we have a 18-18 55 or better. Example 2 2S/2NT-(4X)-? Same questions as example 1. Thanks !!

I think Ace and small to T wins to LHO holding KJxx and loses to RHO having the trumps, so it wins in half of the 4-0 splits ---------------------------- 2nd thought: OK I got it, Ace and small loses also to LHO habving KJxx: LHO goes up with K and eventually will score his J.

For 1 loser, I cash ace and small to the T if not covered: this loses to a 4-0 splits and RHO holding KJx.

hehe, u right of course Jimmy :D 3.10 am here lol but I doubt I'd play better during daytime ! B)

Low to the 9, CASE 1 if that holds, I run J; CASE 2 If LHO raises with a honor, I have 3 choices: a. run the 9 b. run the J c. cash A and hope to drop the other honor a. run the 9 It works ONLY with RHO holding both remaining key cards b. run the J It works ONLY if LHO started with exactly doubleton H10 c. cash Ace It works in all configurations where either opp started with doubleton with the remaining honor So, in case 2, I cash the Ace

This is just to say that a these posts on suit combinations are great ! I really do hope they continue !! B) Regardless of whether they become periodical or just occasional, they will be summarized in the BBF FAQs :-)

When we have a fit, I base my choice on LTC, not hcp count: OPENER: AFTER SINGLE RAISE (which promises about 9 losers) - use judgment for game try with 5.5/6 losers and or 16-17 hcp - bid game with 5.5 (use judgment) or 5 losers or 18+ - the choice also depends on the knowledge of whether the constructive raise were done with 3 trumps or with 4+ trumps AFTER INVITATION - refuses invitation with 7 losers; - accepts invitation with 6 losers, uses judgment with 6,5 losers - here too the choice depends from the promised length in the trump support RESPONDER - CONSTRUCTIVE raise with 9 losers - INVITE: with 8 losers - FORCE GAME with the tools available with 7 losers or less - ALLOW FOR SLAM INVESTIGATION with 6 or less losers ---------------------------------------------------- In light of this, the 4 hands will be easy evaluated after 1S:2S, assuming 2S is 8-9/10, 9 losers (e.g. weaker raises would use 1NT forcing) [hv=s=sjt98xxhak9dakctx]133|100|one[/hv] 6 losers hand, Here I will make a game try, whatever GT you play [hv=s=sjt98xxhak9dakctx]133|100|one[/hv] Less than 6 losers hand (0.5 in S, 3H, 1D, 1+ in C), I use a game try [hv=s=sjt98xxhak9dakctx]133|100|one[/hv] little less than 5.5 losers, I bid game vulnerable, GT nonvuln. Over the game try, with exactly 9 losers, responder will need some redeeming features in order to bid game (nice sidesuit, shortness, great support, etc), with 8.5 losers he'll bid game. [hv=s=sjt98xxhak9dakctx]133|100|one[/hv] Considering the extra length in spade and pard support, it is likely that we have no spades losers (1 loser only with 3-0 split and Q offside): in this case the hand is worth 4 losers. I bid game.

1- in fact, i have resorted to 1H = positive, 0-2 controls I know, this is one of the first things I was thinking about. I wrote an email to Marco Pancotti asking what they use 3NT and 4NT for (e.g. how they check trump honors). Especially my worry was about the trump queen. He replied that they use NEITHER Turbo, NEITHER RKCB. Their IMMEDIATE raises are sound in trumps, promising at least a Qxx honor; jump cue are not splinter but cue promising at least KQxx (2 of top 3 honors). Their jump raises are used for good support without honors (xxxx or better). Other bad trumps raises are given as delayed raises. This way they avoid ending in slams without good trumps. Their 4NT is a sort of "serious" 4NT, as used by Chiaradia in the Neapolitan Club. For the moment I will sttill play the "normal" RKCB structure, because I want my pard to slowly digest the change of system. Eventually, though, I might incorporate the Turbo 3NT in the system. No: I do not think it will be rewarding with my current pard. I'll stick to mixed cuebids, serious 3NT (to show extras) , Last Train and Kickback RKCB + Exclusion RKCB. Eventually I might consider the use of Denial Cue in its simplest form (bid directly the suit that needs control), which is in fact similar to CABs. Yet, I am a bit worried for the info it gives away to the opening leader. With a fit found, I think the best way to evaluate hand strength is in terms of losers. That implicitly takes into account Quacks clustered with other honors AND extras in terms of shape. For each positive response to 1 C, we shall assume the following "normal" loser range: 1H: 9.5-8.5 = minimum without great shape 1S: 8.5-7.5 = less than a "normal opener" 1NT: 7.5-6.5 = "normal" opening hand strength 2C: 6.5-5.5 = "good" opening hand strength but less than a reverse Sure, there will be deviations, but having a clear criterion to define "extras" will help. Of course, in "no fit" auctions, only hcp will be the keys to define extras: responder will need to have about 3/4 extra quack hcps. Thanks a lot: I appreciated a lot all your comments, they clearly show you have be through the structure in detail and I am VERY interested in any further comment. You can mail them privately if you do not want to post them here at: m_casadei67*REMOVETHIS*@tin*REMOVETHIS_TOO*.it One last doubt: as you may see in the structure I am proposing, I have collapsed the 6+ controls 2D resp. into the 5+ controls 2C responses: this allowed to 1. describe immediately the positive balanced hand (with 2H/S/NT). This is useful because when responder bids the controls with 1H through 2C, opener immediately know responder is unbalanced, and the following bids are easier: e.g. 1C:1NT: ? now first step asks for a 5 card major and responder without a 5 card major bids 3m to show exactly 5+m and 4M. Similar structure over 1C:2C. 2. use 2D for the mini-weak 2, with "Multi-style" followups How awkward do you think it is to lose the 2D response for 6+ controls and putting it into the 2C 5+ controls response ?

Maybe some of the posters here missed another post related to this: http://forums.bridgebase.com/ind...?showtopic=6030 The questions are quite similar, but the situation is related to cases where pard doubles and RHO passes (e.g. pass is an option only if we want to go for penalty). I would greatly appreciate your feedback for that specific case: the replies I got in this thread helped me very much to focus the scheme, I am sure your contribution will be very helpful also for the other specific topic !! :P

Think it in this way: Had LHO opened 2s in 1st position what would you have done in 4th? And bid the same. It's strange but adds a lot of flexibility. Luis, I think the 2 situations are quite different, because the bidding of RHO benefits from the extra infos of me opening 16+ AND my pard's pass being forcing even if the hand is 0-4, so even if RHO passes he will have an extra chance to bid (and likely double): 1. when I balance over a first seat weak 2, I have much more chances to find useful hcp in my pard's hand. 2. When instead I balance after opening 1C and hearing from pard a weak/strong pass, I expect him to have the weak hand many more times. Also, my RHO may as well have passed holding a good hand in misfit which did not want to bid over his pard weak jump; what's more, if opps know that our methods force me to rebid, RHO may be sitting to double me. I agree of treating the 1C-(wjo)-pass-pass situation as similar to balancing over a weak 2, *if I have shortness in their suit*;but length in opps suit is often a danger sign. When I balance over a weak 2, if I have the wrong shape, I passout and do not bid 2NT unless I have extra hcp (where "extra" is meant in the bidding context).

Hi Luis ! Ty and happy new year !! One question: the use of minimax pass (0-4/12+) works fine with 1 level overcalls. But I have a problem when opps overcall at 2 level: we use variable 1NT opening range, so when our NT is 10-12 (and not 14-16), our minimum 1C balanced opener il 16-18/19. Now assume I have a balanced 16 and I open 1C. QJ8x- Ax- KQx- ATxx Bidding goes: 1C-(2S)-pass-pass ? Now, I cannot pass because my pard could have the 12+ hand: so I have to bid. But my hand is too offshape to double (pard will bid Hearts), and do I really want to bid 2NT opposite a 0-4 hand ?

If that is the auction, opener will continue asking for keycards: not for KC, but to be able to ask kings up the line: 4NT - 5C (0-3 kc) 5NT(ask the cheeapest K cue) - 6H (no K in the minors) all pass

Ok, I'll check it out again, I lended it to my teammates :-)

Hi all !! This another post asking for suggestion on the strong club overcalled scheme posted in: http://forums.bridgebase.com/ind...?showtopic=6025 ---------------- This time, I would like to know the best way to handle opener's rebid after LHO overcalls and pard doubles and RHO passes. Here are 2 specific questions. In both questions, responder's double can be either a. semipositive negative double (5-7 at 1 level, 6-8 at 2 level), usually balanced; unbalanced semipositives would bid the 5+ bagger (if decent), NF; b. GF any shape (may not have support in unbid suits) 1) 1C-(1S)-X-pass-? Now the questions are: a).if I am holding a balanced hand with 4 hearts, should I show the heart support (2H)? Or should I bid 1NT to show the balanced hand ? b. Would 2NT be the bigger, GF balanced hand ? c. how do I make a GF bid if I want to start a slammish investigation ? Would a cuebid be right or would you use it as natural to expose a psyche ? 2) 1C-(2S)-X-pass-? Similar questions: a. if I am holding a balanced hand with 4 hearts, should I show the heart support (2H)? Or should I bid 2NT to show the balanced hand ? b. How do I discriminate the strength of the balanced hands ? c. how do I make a GF bid if I want to start a slammish investigation ? Would a cuebid be right or would you use it as natural to expose a psyche ?

Sorry Phil ;) Would you suggest for/against 4m being "Leaping/NonLeaping Michaels" in minimum hand, in both auctions ?

Hi Mike !! Thanks for the contribution too :D However, while I am quickly converting to control-showing responses to 1C in UNCONTESTED AUCTION, I still feel that in CONTESTED AUCTIONS distributional info start to become more important (maybe it's just my lack of experience, it might be as well that in a few month I'll think otherwise... :) ).

Peter, ty very much for your suggestions !!!! One further question on this cuebid issue: 1) after the double by responder, auction is not *yet* GF, it is possible that he's got a *low power* double (semipositive, about 5-7, bal. shape "à la neg double" ), so I need a GF bid; 2) if the cuebid is natural to expose the psyche, how do you start a slammish investigation ? (pass then bid later could backfire, because we are not in a real GF) Thanks !! :)

Hi all ! I would like to have opinions from strong club folks about overcalled 1C sequences. I am trying to improve our strong club overcalled respoonses. So far we used to respond after 1C-(any natural overcall)- ? OLD STRUCTURE - pass = double negative (0-4 aceless) OR trap pass - non-jump new suit= 5 + cards, 8+ hcp, gf - non-jump NT = 8+ bal + stopper, gf - double = semipositive, any shape, hcp varying by level: level 1 = 5-7 level 2 = 6-8, more similar to neg double level 3 = 7+/8+ hcp, negative double We found that the sequence: 1C-(overcall at 1 level)-X used as simply hcp showing often leaves opener in an awkward situation, because he does not know the distribution of the doubler, especially if opps raise or jumpraise in the suit. For this reason, I decided to look for something better, and I decided to base the new structure on the old KathyWei + Judy Radin "strong club complete", which goes more or less like this: NEW STRUCTURE They overcall at 1 level - pass : 0-4/5 hcp or trap pass - double: “low power/high power” 1) 5-8 hcp, (semi)bal takeout(“low-power”) 2) 9+ unbal or bal, no stopper (“high-power”) - nonjump suit: 5°+ natural, 5-8 p.o., non forcing - 1NT: 5+/8- hacp with stopper nonforcing - jump to 2H/S : mini-weak 2 3/4-6/7 hcp, NF - 2NT: unusual, semi positive or slammish (minimax) - cuebid: Michaels, semipositive or slammish (different from Wei-Radin, who use it as generic slammish bid) - 3 X: 4441 GF, various ranges and shape They overcall at 2 level - pass : 0-7 hcp or trap pass; it is possible to pass with 6 hcp and no biddable suit ; - Double : 1) 8+ hcp, GF 2) 7/8 p.o. bal, invitational to 3NT - new suit at 2 level: 5°+, 5-8 p.o., NF - new suit at 3 level(even jumpbid): good suit 5°+, 8+ hcp, GF - 2NT: Unusual, semipositive or slammish - cuebid: Michaels, semipositive or slammish - 3 NT: 9-11 bal + stopper (I skip bids after 3 level overcalls because for lack of bidding space more or less all the systems resort to similar structure) Now, according to this structure, I'd like advices to handle the bidding when opps jump raise preemptively the overcalled (natural) suit after responder's double. FINALLY, HERE ARE THE QUESTIONS !!! :-) 1) 1C-(1H)-X-(2H) ? Now: a. Is double responsive ? (shows majors if they bid the minor or the minors if they bid the major) b. does X show the spades ? remeber that double could come from a GF hand without spades c. if I bid 2 spades am I showing a 4+ or a 5+ card suit ? d. does pass deny spades ? does pass deny another suit ? e. what is the right bid if interested in penalty ? The same questions apply to the jump raise: 2) 1C-(1H)-X-(3H) ? Now: a. Is double responsive ? (shows majors if they bid the minor or the minors if they bid the major) b. does X show the spades ? remeber that double could come from a GF hand without spades c. if I bid 3 spades am I showing a 4+ or a 5+ card suit ? d. does pass deny spades ? does pass deny another suit ? e. what is the right bid if interested in penalty ?

I will assume you are not a passed hand, despite I saw other posts referring to passed hand bidding agreements. This hand, with great fit and about 6 losers, is certainly a GF hand and has reasonable slam expectations opposite a non-minimum opener. So I need a GF bid without bidding 4H - which would be a gross underbid. 3 alternatives: 1) if playing 2/1 GF, 2D seems the right bid to start with, planning to support at the 3 level 2) otherwise, Jacoby 2NT (or whatever you use as strong slammish raise) 3) finally, since you have all suits guarded from 2 fast losers, the "quick'n'dirty" approach of bidding 4NT (hopefully agreed as RKCB- otherwise go via J2NT then 4NT) seems the most straightforward and will seldom leave us in a hopeless slam nor miss a good one. ------- If you were a passed hand, I'd bid Drury to find out if pard has a full opener, in which case I'd RKCB, otherwise I'd bid game.

Wayne, here is the part of the italian rules I referred to: http://www.federbridge.it/Regolamenti/doc/...einterventi.pdf I will translate here some parts of it, from the 1st page and 2nd page. As you can see, the italian rules specifically forbid some kinds of psyche, even if pard is unaware of it. Of course this applies in mid-low flight tourneys, but that's the way it is. I repeat here, I am not proud of this but I feel you should know this if you are ever going to play in a BBO (or live) tourney directed by an italian TD, or against an italian player who will call the TD for what he thinks being an illegal psyche. ---------------------------------------------------------- PAGE 1 Aperture & Interventi Consentiti APERTURE NATURALI 1 a colore Punteggio minimo: 8 p.o. Numero minimo di carte: a) nel nobile 4 b ) nel minore 3 Psichica di lunghezza permessa: SI Minimo carte ammesse: 0 Psichica di punteggio permessa: SI Minimo punti ammessi: 8 Punti di differenza da quanto promesso: indifferenti L’apertura da sistema in un seme nobile III è considerata Brown Sticker Da pre-allertare quando da sistema la forza minima è compresa tra 8/10 p.o. ............... PAGE 2 APERTURE A SENZA ATOUT Le aperture a Senza Atout vengono trattate con le limitazioni previste per le aperture convenzionali 1 Senza Atout Punteggio minimo: 8 p.o. Distribuzioni ammesse: a. 4.3.3.3 - b. 4.4.3.2 - c. 5.3.3.2 - d. 4.4.4.1 - e. 5.4.3.1 * - f. 5.4.2.2. * - g. 6.3.2.2 * - h. 6.3.3.1 * Distribuzioni descrivibili: a. b. c. d. * Il sistema adottato deve comunque possedere altre aperture che comprendano le mani con distribuzioni non descrivibili nello sviluppo dell’apertura 1 Senza Atout Psichica di punteggio permessa: SI Solo con 8 p.o. minimo e max +/- 3 p.o. di differenza da quanto promesso Da pre-allertare quando: - Ha un punteggio minore di 11 p.o. Da allertare quando: - Ha un punteggio minore di 12 p.o. ---------------------------------------------------------- TRANSLATION PAGE 1 Openings and overcalls allowed NATURAL OPENINGS 1 of a suit Min hcp: 8 hcp Min number of cards: a) 4 if major opening :) 3 in a minor Leghth psyche allowed : YES Minimum cards required in the suit bid(for the psyche to be legal): 0 HCP psyche allowed : YES Minimum hcp required (for the psyche to be legal): 8 Maximum allowed deviation from the promised hcp range: indifferent System Openings in a major with 3 cards is considered Brown Sticker System openings with 8-10 hcp have to be prealerted ........... PAGE 2 NT openings No trump openings are subjected to the same limitations of conventional openings 1 NT Min hcp: 8 p.o. Allowed shapes: a. 4.3.3.3 - b. 4.4.3.2 - c. 5.3.3.2 - d. 4.4.4.1 - e. 5.4.3.1 * - f. 5.4.2.2. * - g. 6.3.2.2 * - h. 6.3.3.1 * Shape that can be described by system: a. b. c. d. * The adopted system MUST anyway include other openings which include the hands not describeable by the 1NT opening development HCP psyche allowed : YES BUT ONLY WITH AT LEAST 8+hcp and within 3 hcp deviation from min/max promised range Prealert system openings with : - < 11 hcp. Alert 1NT openers with : - < 12 hcp

Wayne, there are specific psyches not allowed at all by the FIGB in mid-low flights, *even if you do not have pship agreements*. not that I am proud of this... :blink: And what's more, I know some BBO players who are also TDs who will enforce such rules, so it is just a warning... In any case I will post the link, but the section of these rules is in Italian.

Sorry Free, did not mean to be annoying, only to warn that there will be some tourneys - on BBO too - where the TD will apply such rules (which, as I said, I disagree with), and you might be penalized for using such tactics.