So if you held that hand with the minors reversed you would pass?? Or is it that you think partner would pass if you rebid 4♣??? I know you like being weird for the sake of being weird, and generally it doesn't bother me. But sometimes it's nice to say something that will cause people to take your opinion seriously as well! The problem hand you mention is ♠Axxx ♥xxx ♦x ♣AQxxx? Yes. I would pass. Actually, I probably would open that hand, so I'd need a little less for my call. Maybe only the club Jack. Then, I'd definitely pass. Why do you think it is reasonable to be this pessimistic in this sort of auction? Even if partner doubles back in, you are in a worse position than if you had just doubled and shown your hand. If partner passes it out, it could be a disaster. Also I don't understand why you say you would open the hand, it is clearly not an opening bid in a modern 2/1 style. Maybe it is an opening bid in whatever system or style you like to play, but that's just not the question. Yes, passing could work; RHO could be heavy and this could be a misfit, but anyway, your opponents will have a hard time doubling you on this kind of auction when it is right. I would rather lose a few partscore battles than think myself unlucky whenever partner has a "perfecto" with 4 spades!