Fred, Can I compliment you on this thoughtfull explenation. Your attitude in writing is something I can only hope to master someday (I am 54 years of age :lol: ). GIB is very usefull in the post mortem and it helps to understand the complexity of our "hobby". Like GIB, many persons watching or commenting the game with all cards in sight have problems to keep their objectivity, unlike GIB they even make mistakes withouit realising it. Regards, Richard van Houten (drahcir)