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Nice touch :)

Hi Kungsten, How do you continue with transfer openings ? 1♦ = 10-16 hp 4+♥ ..1♥ = 3 card fit or no fit ?

Hi Kungsten, I actually want give first version a try. I liked it :) Btw thanks for the very good response scheme of 1♣. A few new ideas (just for fun) 1) put 14-16 hp 5m4m(31) hands into 1N 2) put 14-16 hp 6+m hands into 2N (3c=pas or correct, 3d=pas or bid 3 card major) then 2m=10-13 hp 5+m, M<4. I guess 1N is acceptable with a good response scheme and can foresee that 2N may hide some 5-3 major fits (when responder has hp<9. But it is hard for opponents to compete :)

Stolen from awm, 1♣ = 11-13 hp bal / 17+ hp any 1♦ = 10-16 hp 4+♦ 1♥ = 10-16 hp 4+♣ 1♠ = 10-16 hp 5+♠ 1N = 14-16 hp bal 2♣ = 10-16 hp 5+♥, ♠<4 2♦ = 10-16 hp 5+♥-4♠ (or 2♥ and 2♦ multi)

Did anybody mention ? 1♣ = 11-13 hp bal / 17+ hp any 1♦ = 10-16 hp 4♠ 1♥ = 10-16 hp 4+♥ 1♠ = 10-16 hp 5+♠ 1N = 14-16 hp bal 2m = 10-16 hp 5+m, M<4 2M = weak

Hi thanks for the comments :) What I have in mind is to keep 1♣/♦ openings as natural as possible. First I started with 1♣ (responses are very similar to Jboling's structure. I will prepare a simple brief once I complete the picture.

Hi MickyB, I actually now try to find something simple with 1♣ sequence and for a quick try things might get simple if; 2♣ = weak ♦ / 18-19 hp bal 2♦ = weak M / gf ♦ (single suited or with clubs maybe ?) 2♥ = weak M+M 2♠ = weak ♠+m 2N = weak ♥+m That will all depend how easy 1♣ will be For example now it might be 1♣-1M 2♣ = trs 2♦ = gf 5+ ♣ 2♥ = gf 5+♥ 2N = gf 4+♦-4♠ / gf 5+♠ But still not sure

Hi helene_t, Thanks for the comments. Actually I also think to limit; 1♣-1♦ = 0-7 any (now) pass = 12-14 hp bal 4+♦ or 10-14 hp unb 4+♦ Maybe it can help further

I'm trying to adapt a Polish Club variant but can't be sure if it is playable. Any comments ? 1♣ = 10-17 hp 5+♦, 4♦(441) / 12-14 hp bal / 18+ hp any 1♦ = 10-17 hp 5+♣, 4414 1♥ = 10-17 hp 5+♥ 1♠ = 10-17 hp 5+♠ 1N = 15-17 hp bal 2♣ = 5-9 hp M+M 2♦ = 5-9 hp 6M 2♥ = 5-9 hp ♥ + m 2♠ = 5-9 hp ♠ + m 2N = 5-9 hp m+m

What I really wonder is how easy for meckwell lite players to find 4-4 major fits. We are struggling with it :)

Hi we are trying to simplify our 1♣ responses as much as we can Maybe I misunderstood it but does Moss-Bathurst play something like; 1♣ ..1♦ = 0-7 hp any ..1♥ = 8-11 hp M<5 ..1♠ = 8-11 hp 5+M (I know it is 8+ hp 5+♠ in meckwell lite) ..1N+ = 12+ Or does anyone have a simple scheme ?

Any plans for an english translation, google translator did not succeeded :)

Hi, this is something that I tried in the past and was great 1♣ = 15-19 hp balanced 2+♣ / 15+ hp unbalanced 4+♣ / 22+ hp balanced 5M ok (forsing 1+) 1♦ = 10+ hp unbalanced 4+♦ (forsing 1+) 1♥ = 10-21 hp 5+♥ 1♠ = 10-21 hp 5+♠ 1NT = 11-14 hp bal 5M/5c(43)M1d/4441 ok 2♣ = 10-14 hp 6+♣ / 5♣-4M-3♦ / 5♣-44M :( 2♦ = weak / strong major 2♥ = weak majors 2♠ = weak spade + minor 2NT = 20-21 hp balanced 5M ok the main difference from nightmare is to seperate strong hands into 4 1♣ = might have strong ♣ / balanced 1♦ = might have strong ♦ 2♦ = might have strong major it works ;)

Does anyone subsequent auctions of 2c/d openings of Swedish national players ? Asked the same question in natural system discussion forum but not got enough. 2♣ = 20-21 hp bal or 25+ hp bal or game-forcing but not 5+♦ 2♦ = weak major or game-forcing 5+♦ i need more detail then the convention card http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/cc/OpenTeams/Sweden/bertheau-cullin.pdf http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/cc/OpenTeams/Sweden/nystrom-upmark.pdf

From the convention card; 2♣ ...2♦ = puppet mostly 4+♥ => how do they break transfer here, 2♥=20-21 bal (5s ?), 2♠= gf 5+♠ ?, 2nt = artificial, it says ? ...2♥ = trs, 4+♠ => similar here ...2♠ = trs, 6+m ...2nt = art, 5M-5M ...3♣ = trs, 6+♦ (but also 2s ?) ...3x = 4441 2♦ ...2M => 2nt = says bal with ♦ what does it mean 5♦332 ? and do they try to rebid with weak openings, thats my understanding http://www.ecatsbridge.com/documents/files/2012Dublin/systems/OpenTeams/Sweden/nystrom-upmark.pdf

Does anyone know more than what is written on convention card related to 2c/d openings ? What it says is 2c = art, 20-21 hp bal (5M possible ?) or 25+ bal gf 5+c/h/s (what about 4441) 2d = art, weak 5+M gf 5+d

Your current system is very close to Nightmare version that I played(and still think it was best) 1♣ = art, 15-17 hp bal 2+♣, 15-21 unb 4+♣ or game-forsing any 1♦ = art, 18-19 bal 2+♦, 10-21 unb 5+♦ or 4441 1♥ = nat, 15-19 bal 5♥, 10-21 unb 5+♥ 1♠ = nat, 15-19 bal 5♠, 10-21 unb 5+♠ 1nt = nat, 11-14 bal 5M, 5422, 4414 , (43)15 2♣ = nat, 8-14 unb 6+c 2♦ = very weak major or 20-21 bal only 5♣ possible 2M = 7-10 unb 6+M 2nt = 20-21 bal with 5♦/♥/♠ 3x = transfer weak or 6-5 two suiters 3♠ = transfer solid 7 card any 3nt = gambling minor + plus stoppers queen or king Now the missing/interesting parts 1) 10-14 hp (41)35 you can open 1♦ (bad clubs), 2♣ (good clubs), PASS give it a try and upgrade 14 hp to 1♣ 2) 10-14 hp (43)15 open 1NT best win 3) 10-14 hp 4414 open 1NT best win 4) 10-14 hp 4405, PASS is not a bad option, upgrade 14hp to 1♣ 5) We PASS ed safely because opening was an obligation with unb hands at 3.rd position 6) PASS with bad 6+c preemptives and upgrade good ones to 2♣ So consider PASS with some of them and 1NT with (43)15 or 4414 I still love this system and trying to convince partners to play it Bora

Hi rbforster, I really like the power of 2m=6+m and don't want to loose that. I also agree that 5m-4m should go somewhere else And in a previous discussion I triggered 1♣ = 16+ hp 1♦ = 10-15 hp 4M-5m/ 4441 1M = 10-15 hp 5+M 1N = 12-15 hp bal or 5m4m(31) 2m = 10-15 hp 6+m 2M = weak 2N = 10-15 hp 5m-5m which looses 11-12 bal hands and max 5m-5m hands (not enough space) that was my favorite and still can switch to that.

Quenn points are a lot better, that makes sense :) Thanks a lot Akhare

For eagle eyes 1c-1h = can include 5M balanced 1c-1d 2h = 20-21 bal or 4M-3M(51) or 44M(50)m because 3m = 5m-3om(41)M

Hi as I posted to this forum before, we are planning to play precision. And for a smooth pass for my partner we will try a simple approach for 1♣ Openings -------- 1♣ = 16+ hp any 1♦ = 10-15 hp 5m-4x, 4441 or 11-13 bal 2+♦ 1M = 10-15 hp 5+M 1n = 14-16 hp bal 5M ok 2m = 10-15 hp 6+m 2M = weak 2n = 10-13 hp 5m-5m Here is what I think for 1♣ (and need opinions) 1♦ = 8+ hp any but not 5-5 1♥ = 5-7 hp bal or 5m-4+m(M<4) or 6+m(M<4) 1♠ = 0-4 hp any 1n = 5-7 hp unb majors 43xx, 44xx, 5(3+)xx, 64xx 2♣ = 5-7 hp unb 5+♥ , ♠<3 (6♥-3♠ ok) 2♦ = 5-7 hp unb 5+♠, ♥<3 (6♠-3♥ ok) 2♥ = 5-7 hp unb 1444 or 4♥-5+m, ♠<3 2♠ = 5-7 hp unb 4144 or 4♠-5+m, ♥<3 2n+ = 8+ hp 55 ( not decided how to yet) Now 1♣-1♦ responses will be 1M = like opening, 16+ hp 5+M 1N = like opening, 17-19 hp / 22+ hp 2m = like opening, 16+ hp 6+m 2♥ = transfer a) 20-21 hp bal b)4M-5m(31/40) 2♠ = three colored, 16+ hp 4441 2n = like opening, 16+ hp 5m-5m 3♣ = game-forsing, 5c-3d-(41)M 3♦ = game-forsing, 5d-3c-(41)M 3♥ = game-forsing, 5m-4m-(31)M 3♠ = game-forsing, 5m-4m-(31)M What we are planning to do is 1M/1n/2m/2N subsequent bidding will be quite similar to 1c-1d => (1M/1n/2m/2N) re-openings Any opinions ?

"awm" do I have the chance of accessing any documents about your system ? for just understanding the details of development. regards

sorry "akhare" :(

By the way "glen" I totally agree about the problem with 14-15 hp bal hands with a 4M. In the past we had some issues with that when opponents competed. thanks for reminder :) "akhra" I want to keep 1d/2d option to judgement. based on vulnerability and the smell of the match :)

Thanks a lot for all replies, I had tried to think about all possible options for minors while reading And; 1) If I put 5m-4m into 2c/2d, I'm afraid of loosing the power of 2m-3m and 2m-3N biddings 2) If I put 5m-4m back into 1d, I will not be comfortable when opponents compete with a major. 3) I also don't like the wide range 1N but that's not only a problem for me but also for opponents. * maybe we should "pass" with 12 bal :( Now; - I will try this scheme for a while and will invent something new for 1N auctions. - I really think it is a good idea to move some part of balanced hands to 1N (like 11-13 hp bal) But need to run some tests for that. "awm" 2m=6+m or 5m-4+m, did you have any problems with that ? P.S: "straube" I think I would open that hand 2c, and will try 1s next time if it goes wrong :) And don't know what will happen when I open 1d, we will see :)