Ranmit

Ranmit - Twisterrz 10.5 - 5.5 http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:6680f62a.b25c.11e8.83a5.0cc47a39aeb4-1536297056&u=ranmit Ranmit - Sep123 12 - 4 http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:88957c28.b020.11e8.83a5.0cc47a39aeb4-1536051441&u=ranmit

Ranmit - Cherdano 43.75% (7-9) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:2655796e.ade9.11e8.83a5.0cc47a39aeb4-1535807751&u=ranmit Ranmit - Derppp 40.63% (6.5 - 9.5) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:17ce7071.ade9.11e8.83a5.0cc47a39aeb4-1535807727&u=ranmit Ranmit - Vilgan 59.37% (9.5-6.5) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:e2a0b377.ac7e.11e8.83a5.0cc47a39aeb4-1535652160&u=ranmit

What a close match! Congrats Diana_eva :)

Some years back when I was in college, just learning bridge, the local club organized a tournament and gave our college some wildcard spots, to 'encourage bridge among the younger generation'. We played there and did make obvious UI mistakes against the experienced players - though nothing quite so brazen as this one - but we readily accepted the UI as errors on our part and the suggested resolutions. (The UI was a reactionary gasp & clicking of the tongue after realizing that a very wrong bid had just been made :P . Understanding the rule and thereafter bidding the alternative not suggested by the UI, we ended in a part score in what was a potential slam). Playing in a tournament with good quality opponents, even though we finished expectedly near the bottom, definitely increased our interest in the game. I guess what I am trying to say is that I agree with ahydra and pran on not giving PP or strong warnings here, but rather a clear explanation of the rules - and see if they accept it sincerely and in the right spirit. If they dont, then of course one should tone up the harshness.

I was visualizing this exchange and laughed way more than I should have. :lol:

So it looks like I finish 6th in the group. Thanks for the games everyone, and thanks Smerriman for organizing! It was great fun :)

Sorry - didnt see that post. Possible to delete this thread? Yes, the D support over C was very weird - missed the chance for blackwood.

Got this hand in a BBO Forum Event 13 match: [hv=sn=ranmit&s=S2HAK4DKT84CAQ876&wn=Robot&w=SKT8753HT763D73C9&nn=Robot&n=SA964HJDQJ95CKJ54&en=Robot&e=SQJHQ9852DA62CT32&d=s&v=o&b=11&a=1C(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203%20%20%21C%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P1S(One%20over%20one%20--%204+%20%21S%3B%206+%20total%20points)P2D(Opener%20reverse%20--%205%20%20%21C%3B%204%20%20%21D%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points)P3D(4+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21S%3B%208+%20HCP%3B%20forcing%20to%203N)P3N(5%20%20%21C%3B%204%20%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2017-21%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21H)P5C(1-%20%21C%3B%204+%20%21D%3B%204+%20%21S%3B%2013+%20total%20points)P5D(5%20%20%21C%3B%204%20%20%21D%3B%204-%20%21H%3B%203-%20%21S%3B%2017%20%20HCP%3B%2018%20total%20points%3B%20likely%20stop%20in%20%21H)PPP&p=H3HJHQHAD4D3DJDAH8H4H6D5D9D6DKD7&c=12]400|300|[/hv] Robot partner really has a gold mine opposite my C - D reverse and a slam should almost be guaranteed, but instead gives a very wrong description of its hand. The 5C bid is described as showing a singleton in clubs, which suggests only a bare minimum fit in D. 5C would probably have been the right bid if it didnt indicate shortness. PS: Fortunately, the other table also faced a similar bidding sequence and stopped short of what otherwise is a stone cold slam.

Sorry about that - had posted the results from my phone so could not add the links. Had planned to update them in the evening but forgot :rolleyes:

Thanks. So if I understand correctly: 1. There is no specific logic which states that 'XYZ' situations/bidding sequences are takeout and 'ABC' situations are penalty. 2. The bid description, which comes when I hover the mouse over a bid, can be over-ridden if simulations tell the robot that leaving in penalty (say) would be more profitable on most occasions.

Ranmit - heart76 22-32 Ranmit - elyk25 28-36

So there was this hand vs Driver733 which resulted in an 18 Imps difference: [hv=sn=Ranmit&s=SKQ32HQDAKQ872C32&wn=Robot&w=ST865HAKT65432DCQ&nn=Robot&n=SAJ9HJ9DT943CT985&en=Robot&e=S74H87DJ65CAKJ764&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=P1D(Minor%20suit%20opening%20--%203+%20%21D%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)4H(Aggressive%20weak%20jump%20overcall%20--%207+%20%21H%3B%2012-%20HCP%3B%203+%20total%20points)PPD(Takeout%20double%20--%203+%20%21C%3B%203+%20%21D%3B%202-%20%21H%3B%203+%20%21S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2018-22%20total%20points)PPP&p=DTD5D8H5HAH9H7HQHKHJH8D2HTS9C4D7H6D3S4S2H4D9D6DQH2D4S7DKH3CTDJS3CQC5CAC2CKC3STC9CJSQS8C8C7SKS6SAC6DAS5SJ]400|300|[/color]comments[/hv] I made a takeout dbl after 4H trying to find either 4S or 5D. The robot described it as a takeout bid but still passed, despite holding only 2 insignificant hearts. Unfortunately, I lost the match by a whopping 48 Imps so cant really pass off my ineptitude on the robot :P , but just wanted to understand if there is some logic / algorithm used by the robot that I have not fully grasped. In other games with the robot, I often find myself in situations wanting to double for penalty but not doing so because the robot understands/describes the bid as take-out. So I do feel like there is something very basic about robot's penalty vs takeout dbls that I am not comprehending well. Can someone please help? Thanks

Ranmit (34) - ArtK78 (8) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:1272c350.6833.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1528142919&u=ranmit

Ranmit (20) - Driver733 (68) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:348a9a8d.6703.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1528012409&u=ranmit

Ranmit (27) - broze (33) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:1297eef9.6703.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1528012352&u=ranmit Ranmit (30) - ye17 (7) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:22c07454.6703.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1528012380&u=ranmit Ranmit 0 - ArtK78 0 (ArtK78 had sent me a challenge on the 1st, which I accepted and completed my 16 boards. But I assume he was busy over the last 2 days and couldn't play his boards, and the time lapsed. I guess I will wait for him to send a challenge again). http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:a5e253cb.6599.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1527857122&u=ranmit

Ranmit (34) - Natali_ (22) http://webutil.bridgebase.com/v2/tview.php?t=ARDCHALLENGE:416456e8.6711.11e8.ab4e.0cc47a39aeb4-1528018444&u=ranmit I had sent challenges to the 4 players above / below me in the group over the weekend, waiting for them to accept / play.

Sounds interesting. In, unless there is a skill level / experience level cutoff - in which case feel free to ignore this post :P

Thanks all for the discussion! :) The specific regulations and laws got a bit much for me, so for my benefit I am summarising what seems to be the consensus view below: 1. The first response bid has to be based on the assumption that the opening bid wasn't a psyche - in this case 3♠ (at least). 2. If the bidding then went 3NT P 4♥, I am obligated to bid 4♠ as I would on a true 1♠ opening, because this bidding, BY ITSELF, is not enough evidence of partner's psyche (Tram ticket's post, Weejonnie's first post. Though Sfi seems to disagree here?) 3. If however, there was clear evidence from the bidding* that partner psyched, I am then allowed to bid taking the psyche into consideration. Is this an accurate summary? (*Will this ever be true though, if we also have to consider possibilities of opponents also psyching / not having their bids - as suggested in the posts above?) Thanks again.

Say the 2S was an honest (though probably not the best) bid - partner opens weak 11 pointers also in the third position, so I was Conservative. After 2NT though, I am very suspicious. I know this WEST would not have bid 2nt with a 3 carder Q. Of course possibilities of misbids / psyches by opponents exist - but the key point is: My bid to pass vs go to 4S is based on MY BELIEF of partner's psyche. What (if anything) am I legally / ethically supposed to do in this situation? Thanks! Edit: if the 2s response is muddying the issue here - take a more generic case where the first response to the psychic is honest, but a subsequent bid is based on the knowledge that partner had psyched?

I want to know what are the legal and/or ethical requirements while responding to partner's psyches. I hold the hand AKJxx xxx xxxx x as dealer, South. (Opps vul, we are not). The bidding goes P(me) P 1S Dbl. I now bid 2S supporting partner, over which West bids 2NT indicating a full stopper in Spades and 8+ points. I am now certain that my partner has psyched (He has psyched in the past, and here cannot have 5 card Spades since West has at least 4 spades to the Q). East bids 4H and the bid comes to me. Legally and ethically (if the two are different) what am I supposed to do: 1. Do I have to alert opponents of the psyche bid? 2. If it was a normal 1S bid by partner, I would have bid 4S over the 4H. Knowing that it is a Psyche, is it OK to pass? (my partner had 3 points and a doubleton spade. Opponents were making 6H. While my partner and I had no specific agreement about psyches, I knew that he had bid them in the past.)

^^ is there any reason for this though? It is a bit annoying when one can't claim just because the robot opponent in on lead. Wonder why the claim is restricted to only one your lead.

Thanks for the discussion The point here is that I am really interested in partner's heart length, his minor suit hCP can be quite meaningless. If partner has <=3 hrts, 4H isn't likely making. If partner has 4 hrts, 4H is making. If partner has 5 hrts, slam is likely. So a 2h bid is not helpful since it will almost certainly be raised to 3h (spade void) even with a 3 carder hrts which is not helpful. The advice to pass certainly makes sense, but was wondering if there is any way to find the length of partner's suit (5+ hrts is a possible slam!). Or should I just forget it as a really rally unlikely deal?

So I got the following hand: KQTxxxxx AKQxx Void Void Licking my lips, I wait for my turn to bid when the Rho (dealer) very unhelpfully opens with a 1S bid. What should be my bid? (imps, both vulnerable)