Thanks all for the advice; I just returned to this thread to see many new replies. SteelWheel; we actually have come to your suggestion as well: we have been playing a 12-15 NT so that our 1D opening is natural (4+) and all of our 1D, 1H, 1S openings promise an unbalanced hand. This has also given us a few nice gadgets: for example: 1D-1H-1NT (mm, equal or longer D), 1D-1H-2C (mm, longer C), 1D-1H-2D (single suited D), etc. We really like this approach so far. We have been considering adding a 1H relay over 1C, "kokish" style: 1C -- 1D -- 1H -- relays 1S, showing either a balanced hand, hearts and another suit, or single-suited hearts. I have one question, though. We like to play that 1C -- 1D -- 1M only promises 4. How does this interact with a 1H relay here? For example: does 1C -- 1D -- 1H -- 1S -- 2C show 5+4+, but where you can have 4H5C or 5H4C? Does the 1H relay only work well if you play that 1C 1D 1M promises 5? Any thoughts here? Thanks!