jdeegan Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 [hv=d=s&v=n&s=s4ha62dkq96cqj632]133|100|Scoring: IMPYour bid as dealer[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 one club, 2 clubs over 1 spade... If the opp cannot overcall on this auction it must be our hand. Will pay off to roth stone players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 but have no issue with 1D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 1D obviously Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 guess people didnt notice "dont comment" oops...I guess I didn't either :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Clear 1♦... However, pass might be a good choice as well :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I think there should be three options:1♣ and rebid 2♣ over 1♠1♣ and rebid 1NT over 1♠1♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coyot Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I don't have any problem rebidding clubs twice. My partner KNOWS that 2♣ may be done on 5card with this shape and not enough strength to reverse. I might occasionally end up in a bad partscore on 6 trumps, but I don't really care. I don't want to open 1♦ and rebid the longer clubs later and I dont want to rebid 1NT, because getting partner into 4♠ on a bad fit with playable 3NT is not a good idea... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 coyot the problem is not that partner won't know about it, but that partner can't do anything about it! Suppose partner has something like:[hv=s=skq865hj75dt432c7]133|100|[/hv] He will have to pass before things get out of hand, and yet you have a much better fit available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Easy 1♦ for me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I think that responding to a "pls don't respond" thread should get double credit. Why am I still Nasi Lemak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 At 1000 you'll be something else I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickyB Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 coyot the problem is not that partner won't know about it, but that partner can't do anything about it! Suppose partner has something like:[hv=s=skq865hj75dt432c7]133|100|[/hv] He will have to pass before things get out of hand, and yet you have a much better fit available. Or he might have a 5323, in which case he will give false preference and you will play in 2♦, even though you have a much better fit available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 coyot the problem is not that partner won't know about it, but that partner can't do anything about it! Suppose partner has something like: Dealer: ????? Vul: ???? Scoring: Unknown ♠ KQ865 ♥ J75 ♦ T432 ♣ 7 He will have to pass before things get out of hand, and yet you have a much better fit available. Or he might have a 5323, in which case he will give false preference and you will play in 2♦, even though you have a much better fit available. Or even worse: 5-4-2-2. I am not sure David Burn will approve. 4-2 fits usually don't play well. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 coyot the problem is not that partner won't know about it, but that partner can't do anything about it! Suppose partner has something like:[hv=s=skq865hj75dt432c7]133|100|[/hv] He will have to pass before things get out of hand, and yet you have a much better fit available. Darn that suggestion for 2D to show this type of hand. The 2S (NF) bid gets 2NT (min. 11-14 and not a good 14-16) which shows 0-1 S which is then corrected to 3D to play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricK Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 coyot the problem is not that partner won't know about it, but that partner can't do anything about it! Suppose partner has something like:[hv=s=skq865hj75dt432c7]133|100|[/hv] He will have to pass before things get out of hand, and yet you have a much better fit available. I don't think organising your bidding to get to the correct 2m partscore should be near the top of anyone's list of priorities. Given any system it is easy to construct problem hands, the questions to ask are "how often do the problem hands arise?" and "how much do we lose if they come up?" Since very few hands are played in 2m, I don't think it matters much from either perspective which one you choose from this point of view. However, if partner's ambitions run to more than a partscore I think that knowing which minor is longer is quite an imprtant peice of information. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 LOL - you think you can post a hand like this and not expect comments? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdeegan Posted September 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 :P I am aghast!! To say nothing of ept, gruntled and kempt. In poll after poll the hoi polloi vote two for one to open one club with 4♦ and 5♣. Do you not play the Sputnik convention or some other moderne version of the negative double??? When you open these hands one club, you may be risking life and limb in an ensuing competitive auction. Its just as simple as the ranking of the suits. If the auction goes 1♣ - 1♠ - dbl - pass, can you afford to bid 2♦ when poor ole pard may have based his double on a few values, 4 hearts and a modest club fit??? Try it the other way. Open 1♦. Now over LHO's one spade overcall (not a surprise since, on this hand, you own only 1/13 of that suit) partner can comfortably double to show four hearts and a few values with either four hearts and four diamonds or four hearts and four clubs (three will do in a pinch at the TWO level). I just hate the idea of a bidding style that gets me too high through a system fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 I just hate the idea of a bidding style that gets me too high through a system fix. I hate the idea of a bidding style that doesn't allow me to bid my longest suit first and risks me getting to a 4-2 fit. To each his own, thats why its a style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted September 17, 2005 Report Share Posted September 17, 2005 I just hate the idea of a bidding style that gets me too high through a system fix.Then you had better give up the game :) Every bidding system ever invented contains flaws such that you will end up in the wrong spot on some problem hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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