Al_U_Card Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 If 1M-3NT is used as the 4M333 forcing raise, could the following bids be used for balanced (4432) forcing raises? 1H-3S (balanced forcing raise)1S-3H (balanced forcing raise) with 1H-2NT-3?-3S showing a singleton spade. Then 3NT by opener could be asking for controls (or as Justin suggests, a desire to play in 3NT.... ;) ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 They could, but it uses up a lot of room. Making a 2/1 followed by supporting, or going back to oldschool style of 1M-2N=natural forcing balanced seems more efficient. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 If 1M-3NT is used as the 4M333 forcing raise, could the following bids be used for balanced (4432) forcing raises? 1H-3S (balanced forcing raise)1S-3H (balanced forcing raise) with 1H-2NT-3?-3S showing a singleton spade. Then 3NT by opener could be asking for controls (or as Justin suggests, a desire to play in 3NT.... :lol: ) Along the same theme here is another viewpoint. 1MAJOR=3NT=14-16, extremely balanced, 4333 solid stoppers in unbid suit, opener is encouraged to pass if she thinks it is right. 1MAJOR=4C=17+ and 4333 MAJOR =4D=5 trumps and only one outside ACE. Same as raising to 4 except you have 1 to 1.5 outside tricks. A reason to do this is to give partner a lot of information in case she needs to make some high level decision. Of course 2nt=stronger raises that may have shortness. 1H=2S=stiff somewhere, 2nt asks.1H=3S=void somewhere, 3nt asks1S=3H=stiff or void somewhere, 3S asks. Then 3nt=void and 4c asks where? Direct 4 level rebid is a stiff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoTired Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I like 2-tiered splinters over 1M, so I can't use those bids: 1H 3S or 1S 3H = 10-12 anonymous splinter....1H 3S 3N asks where........4C/4D = c/d splinter........4H = spade splinter....1S 3H 3S asks where........3N = void............4C = where................4D/4H = d/h void................4S = c void........4C/4D/4H = c/d/h singleton 1H 3N/4C/4D = 13-15 splinter in s/c/d1S 4C/4D/4H = 13-15 splinter in c/d/hThe 2-tiered splinter gives us better info for slam. Since the weaker one is anonymous, it does not help the opening leader when no slam is possible and opener rebids 4M. I still play 1S 3N = 3-card support, bal 13-15, no 5-card suit, but have lost the 1H 3N bid to the splinter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 12, 2005 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 They could, but it uses up a lot of room. Making a 2/1 followed by supporting, or going back to oldschool style of 1M-2N=natural forcing balanced seems more efficient. I was just thinking about the use of idle bids, especially for those hands where you 2/1 on the 4 card suit and then raise with 4 but could be showing 5+ and 3 only... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POJC Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I prefer (no 2/1):Splinter with 9-11 (12 Bad) with more use 2NT. It's important to limit splinter strength or it's to difficult in further biding. Direct splinter=VoidIndirect=single 1H-3S=indirect, 3NT asks. (Void with spades=3NT)1H-3NT/4m=void 1S-3NT=indirect, 4C asks.1S-4x=void Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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