Elianna Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 To disagree as privilege exclusive to those who contribute? Wishful thinking, that's what it is. Get real. Or, should I say, get used. there's a big difference between disagreeing and complaining... if, for example, you thought you could do a better job why not offer your services? if elianna was getting swamped and if doing even more would result in her not being able to do anything at all, offer to help Thank you for the support, but I just want to correct one thing: I didn't quit because I was feeling swamped by the work. In fact, as Adam was saying, I was already doing what some people wanted, I just wasn't posting in the format that they wanted. And that wasn't because of the work involved, but because I'd like to respect the privacy of people who enter into a contest. As others have said, they don't view this as a contest, they view it as a poll. That's fine, but that's not the type of thing I thought that I was getting involved in, and so I decided to retire. Getting feedback from people complaining that they didn't know what I did, and refused to follow links to see what I did, was just something that reinforced my belief that this wasn't for me. I guess, like most people, I just don't like to feel abused. If people feel it's their right to abuse me, fine, but I feel that it's my right not to take it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABadPlayer Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 I guess, like most people, I just don't like to feel abused. If people feel it's their right to abuse me, fine, but I feel that it's my right not to take it. Rock on wit yo bad self! W00t! :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 I guess, like most people, I just don't like to feel abused. If people feel it's their right to abuse me, fine, but I feel that it's my right not to take it. Rock on wit yo bad self! W00t! :D best post ive seen in a while...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Bidding contests/polls are there for people to exhange views about different approaches to difficult problems. Never mind how many points you score for different actions. That's beside the scope of a contest like this in my opinion. If I think my view is the best under the circumstances, what should I do? Vote according to my belief, and likely get very few points or go with the lot and get loads of points? I have no doubts. Write what you think is best, regardless what other panelists and/or voters may think. Points/marks have little significance in my view. Interesting bidding ideas have. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 yeah roland, that's why i enjoyed them so much.. i want to see the judgment, the reasoning, involved... i want to understand why one bid was chosen over another.. it's human nature (i guess) to want to compete, to see how one does against others, but the main point for me was to learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Let me add that I think Elianna did a super job. Too bad that some made her resign. If those "some" think they can do a better job, why don't they volunteer to take over? Criticising is the easiest approach. Doing something about it takes some effort. I agree with all Al_U_Card is saying. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Dear Wald and Al_U: Look guys, I don't know what job you guys have, but I'm a temporary post-doc researcher at the local university. I might know where my next meal is coming from, but I sure don't know where it is coming from 6 months from now. Plus I have to feed my kids. If I had ANY spare time at all to process the poll answers and post them, I would gladly do it myself. As it is, and while I don't get a steady job, 10 mins per day in the forum is all I can spare to bridge right now. So I'm not having you two accusing me of complaining without doing anything. I would do something, IF I COULD, so please stop it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Elianna: I'm sorry if you took my critics personally, but let me tell you being on the receiving end of unfair criticism is a daily fact of life. I myself experience that constantly at the forum. All I can say is, live with it. Get used. I haven't stopped posting because of arguings. And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 If I had ANY spare time at all to process the poll answers and post them, I would gladly do it myself. As it is, and while I don't get a steady job, 10 mins per day in the forum is all I can spare to bridge right now. So I'm not having you two accusing me of complaining without doing anything. I would do something, IF I COULD, so please stop it. Then I suggest that you spend the 10 minutes with something constructive instead of complaining. You even wrote that you had every right to complain. That is: 1. Destructive. 2. Even worse when you don't have time to do anything yourself. Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Elianna: I'm sorry if you took my critics personally, but let me tell you being on the receiving end of unfair criticism is a daily fact of life. I myself experience that constantly at the forum. All I can say is, live with it. Get used. I haven't stopped posting because of arguings. And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive. I don't mind if people argue with me, criticize, etc. The fact that you did not even bother to see what actually was happening before you complained, and felt that it was perfectly within your right to do so, says a lot. I don't feel that I need to get used to abusive behavior. There are easy solutions. The one I chose is to get out of that situation. I saw that you said that you are really busy, but I don't know why you think that a lot of us have infinite free time. I certainly don't, and didn't see the need to spend it doing something that just got to be unpleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walddk Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 And if you bother to read through an arguing of mine, you'll see few people stand by me (if any). Yet, I survive. If you feel that you are the ugly duckling among the Forum members, there may be a reason for it. You, like everyone else, are entitled to your opinion, but complaining is not the way forward. Being negative never is. I think I am in a position to tell you because I spend hundreds of hours every year working for the BBO community (unpaid needless to say). Roland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 10, 2005 Report Share Posted September 10, 2005 Wald: complaining doesn't equal being destructive and you should know that. Besides, I deny having been destructive. I pointed out what I though was wrong and geve suggestions how it could be done otherwise. That being said, let me point out history shows it's the "ugly ducklings", the rebels, who make the world go forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 OK...so anyways. Ben, are you still up to moderating it? Pigpenz, Phil, and I have all volunteered to keep score, so just pick one of us and let's resume it. I really thought it was a great idea and everyone seemed to enjoy it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Look guys, the right to complain is a right everyone is endowed with. A person has every right to disagree and voice his disagreement. It's called "freedom of speech". A highly amusing comment coming from someone who spat the dummy when his home grown convention was criticized. :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Sure, whatever you say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 OK...so anyways. Ben, are you still up to moderating it? Pigpenz, Phil, and I have all volunteered to keep score, so just pick one of us and let's resume it. I really thought it was a great idea and everyone seemed to enjoy it. seems like it wouldnt be too hard to make it that there would be radio buttons for everyone to vote on each problem and then somehow give scoring at the end of a week or month. eveyone could see the running vote totals just like we see when we make up own polls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 Great Justin, I would love the master solvers to come back. I believe the main reason that Elianna stopped was that there were too many complaints about what was done with the scores. Perhaps now that it has been gone for a while, we all realize how much fun it was and be more respectful to the people who make it possible. (this is not at all directed at anyone in particular)ITA -- if Justin agrees to keep score - for goodness sake ALL of us folk who parcipitate should NOT complain on whatever scoring Justin decides to do -- UNLESS you are prepared to take the job (and the complaints) on Believe me I LOVE trying to get a good 'score' but will participate whatever the scoring method is -- just for the fun of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 seems like it wouldnt be too hard to make it that there would be radio buttons for everyone to vote on each problem and then somehow give scoring at the end of a week or month. eveyone could see the running vote totals just like we see when we make up own polls. The problem with that is it may influence the voting. It shouldn't but I'm sure it would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 11, 2005 Report Share Posted September 11, 2005 seems like it wouldnt be too hard to make it that there would be radio buttons for everyone to vote on each problem and then somehow give scoring at the end of a week or month. eveyone could see the running vote totals just like we see when we make up own polls. The problem with that is it may influence the voting. It shouldn't but I'm sure it would. back in the 70,s i used to get to vote for master solvers in Bridge World we would receive about six months at a time, that is how they came up with a % for the subscribers and then there was the panel I dont know how they come up with the actual scores if the director is ifluenced by the expert or his own biases. We could get is set up so that we had maybe 10-20 experts who would send us their votes in advance of public realese of the hands and have it set up so that when you viewed and voted it would assign you the score. The it could do the scoring also. Just an Idea I am sure with all of your bridge conncections JLall you could come up with an expert panel :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I liked it last time. Let Ben just make up some scores depending on the panel's bids and the general idea of the problem. Besides, the discussion was far more interesting than the actual scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 I agree, the format was fine, Ben did a great job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 OK...so anyways. Ben, are you still up to moderating it? Pigpenz, Phil, and I have all volunteered to keep score, so just pick one of us and let's resume it. I really thought it was a great idea and everyone seemed to enjoy it. Ok.. new one going to go out soon.. need one more hand. I think Justin has enough to do being on the panel. So that leaves Pig and phil. I remember someone having an message forwarded to me, and pig says it was him, so we will try pig. So the actual hands will posted towards the end of this week, to give the panelist time to look at them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shoeless Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 Damn I was away and missed a good fight. As far as BPO is concerned I found that isn't set up for the average joe. Early on I think I made some suggestions in the line of how things would work better for me - but the whole set-up just turned out to be burdensome for me to follow and I did what Elianna did - chose to walk. No problem - I think I could really enjoy BPO in a different format but if others are happy with the way things are - that's cool. I conclude my comments with one hope - that Whereagles is not doing work in any human relations field. And as a scientist one should look at the evidence presented on these pages - it clearly demonstrates that criticism is destructive. And if we criticize Whereagles - are we any better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 OK...so anyways. Ben, are you still up to moderating it? Pigpenz, Phil, and I have all volunteered to keep score, so just pick one of us and let's resume it. I really thought it was a great idea and everyone seemed to enjoy it. Ok.. new one going to go out soon.. need one more hand. I think Justin has enough to do being on the panel. So that leaves Pig and phil. I remember someone having an message forwarded to me, and pig says it was him, so we will try pig. So the actual hands will posted towards the end of this week, to give the panelist time to look at them first. Great to hear ben. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elianna Posted September 12, 2005 Report Share Posted September 12, 2005 And as a scientist one should look at the evidence presented on these pages - it clearly demonstrates that criticism is destructive. And if we criticize Whereagles - are we any better? Not all criticism is destructive. If I declared that the square root of 2 is 1, I should be soundly criticized. Criticism without taking time to investigate the situation is the destructive part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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