New boot and abandon policy

[helene_t]

I'm sure this has been explained somewhere, I just can't find it.

 

What are the exact criteria for recording when somebody abandons a hand in the main room?

 

When one (or two) of the players have left or got a red spot, sometimes the remaining players get impatient and leave. Will that get recorded? What if one is sucked into a tournament or team match? What if one accepts midhand an invitation to sub a play teams?

[inquiry]

If you make a BID you must stay until the hand is over. If you are dummy, you are expected (by the software) to stay until the hand is over. As long as you do not make an intial bid (where PASS is a bid), you are "free" to leave.

 

Mu current understanding is that only the first player to leave a table will be recorded. If you are sitting at a table with a red player (disconnected), or an empty seat, feel free to leave it you like.

 

I have to admit I am a little fuzzy on leaving for a tourneys and team games in mid play. I suspect this is common enough that there maybe an exception for it.

[uday]

The first (only the first) player to leave a table when a deal is "live" (ie, all players have bid once) gets a black mark.

 

This only applies to all-human tables for the moment.

 

This applies to disconnections, leaving for a tourney or team game, and leaving as dummy.

 

When a player logs off, I save the the number of hands completed and the number of hands abandoned.

[42]

It happened to me with the latest versions that I was frozen and saw no other chance than to logg off and come back. During a tourney facing such a situation, I tried to speak to TD, but: frozen. As I never would leave in the middle of a tourney or hand: what is the correct and best way to handle such a situation?

Thx,

Caren

[scoob]

When a player logs off, I save the the number of hands completed and the number of hands abandoned.

any plans of expressing this statistic as a ratio or % and being made public?

[chicken]

publicity is a very good idea. it cant be a bad thing if i put the top ten of the monthly published list in my enemy file.

[inquiry]

When a player logs off, I save the the number of hands  completed and the number of hands  abandoned.

any plans of expressing this statistic as a ratio or % and being made public?

BBO never shares disciplinary action it takes against its members or ex-members.

 

However, you need not worry aobut marking those on the VERY top of the list as enemies to avoid, they are unlikely to be allowed to play on the site again. And if they are allowed to return, they will be on a short-leash for this type of behavior in the future.

 

(This is for very serious repeat offenders)..

[uday]

I was frozen and saw no other chance than to logg off and come back

 

If you leave a tourney, return, and finishe the tourney no black mark is applied.

[42]

If you leave a tourney, return, and finishe the tourney no black mark is applied.

:D I would have loved to finish but was subbed <_< It was no "normal" disconnect ...

[pigpenz]

It happened to me with the latest versions that I was frozen and saw no other chance than to logg off and come back. During a tourney facing such a situation, I tried to speak to TD, but: frozen. As I never would leave in the middle of a tourney or hand: what is the correct and best way to handle such a situation?

Thx,

Caren

in the acbl tourneys they suggest that you make the td a friend so you can reboot if frozen then get back into the game by msging the TD.

[Aberlour10]

hi @ll

 

As a "main club player" I appreciate this new policy that may solve fast

the problem with the table jumping. I never leave the table without any

announcement but one thing is not clear for me...

It happens ...I leave the table when I sit as a dummy some tricks

before the hand is over ( I play 99% of hands with the same partner and

she accepts it) My question is, do I get registered in such case?

 

Robert

[Gerardo]

Yes, it is counted. But a few "end of session" hands should not be enough to warrant a ban, I think.

[uday]

Yes. If you take a call on a hand, and wind up as dummy, and you leave before the hand is played out, you get a black mark

[Flame]

I dont understand why dummy leaving count here.

Its usually better when a player leave while he is dummy, it save the time of waiting for new player, which many time leads to ppl leaving the table out of inpatienty, i consider it rude to stay to watch till the last card and only then leave knowing it will make 3 other players waste time after i leave.

[fred]

I dont understand why dummy leaving count here.

Its usually better when a player leave while he is dummy, it save the time of waiting for new player, which many time leads to ppl leaving the table out of inpatienty, i consider it rude to stay to watch till the last card and only then leave knowing it will make 3 other players waste time after i leave.

Dummy shouldn't count, but until we have a chance to modify the software, dummy will count.

 

If you only leave a table in the middle of a hand when you are dummy (or in other appropriate circumstances) you will not get into trouble.

 

Suppose for example we decide to "punish" the 5% of our users whose incomplete/complete ratio is the biggest. People who only leave the table in the middle of hands for legitimate reasons will not fall into this group.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[Trumpace]

I dont understand why dummy leaving count here.

Its usually better when a player leave while he is dummy, it save the time of waiting for new player, which many time leads to ppl leaving the table out of inpatienty, i consider it rude to stay to watch till the last card and only then leave knowing it will make 3 other players waste time after i leave.

I have seen many players join the table in place of the dummy who has just left and then leave immediately as they have no wish to wait out the hand being played.

[fred]

I dont understand why dummy leaving count here.

Its usually better when a player leave while he is dummy, it save the time of waiting for new player, which many time leads to ppl leaving the table out of inpatienty, i consider it rude to stay to watch till the last card and only then leave knowing it will make 3 other players waste time after i leave.

I have seen many players join the table in place of the dummy who has just left and then leave immediately as they have no wish to wait out the hand being played.

That won't count - only one person can get a "black mark" per seat per deal.

 

Fred Gitelman

Bridge Base Inc.

www.bridgebase.com

[shoeless]

I love this new procedure - over time I think it will do much to influence peoples decisions about bailing and perhaps more importantly weed out the undesirables.

 

For the most part players who are not bailers, but from time to time get caught in a situation but doing so with no intent, will never make it very high on a bailers list so as to draw attention to themselves. With this system, we will all have some small record (black mark), it is inevitable. One situation I can think of occurring is that a player has declared their intention to leave at the end of a hand and before they can do so there is a bid made to the next hand - again not likely to compile much of a record.

 

I have seen a feature on another site that I liked very much - there was 'a stand at the end of this hand' button, which automatically had the player stand from their seat upon the last card being played but remain in the room to say their goodbyes through chat to table - the next hand was not dealt until the seat was filled with a replacement. It also simply had a 'stand' function that would work for the dummy as well to facilitate a changeover of the seat. I guess for all intends and purposes such a function would simply move the player from a seat to kib mode without leaving the table to the lobby.

[inquiry]

I have seen a feature on another site that I liked very much - there was 'a stand at the end of this hand' button, which automatically had the player stand from their seat upon the last card being played but remain in the room to say their goodbyes through chat to table - the next hand was not dealt until the seat was filled with a replacement. It also simply had a 'stand' function that would work for the dummy as well to facilitate a changeover of the seat. I guess for all intends and purposes such a function would simply move the player from a seat to kib mode without leaving the table to the lobby.

Click on your own name at the table you are playing at.. it will move you from the seat to the kibitizer box (after asking if you are sure)/

[shoeless]

As dummy you mean?

[inquiry]

As dummy you mean?

technically at any time...

[belladonna]

but then another player can join - can he?

the way it work in 't other site' is u click on this opetion while playing and at t end of this hand u will stand - and NO CARDS will be dealt,so makes it easier to leave i think.

[Elianna]

One situation I can think of occurring is that a player has declared their intention to leave at the end of a hand and before they can do so there is a bid made to the next hand - again not likely to compile much of a record.

It doesn't count as a bail unless YOU make a bid on the hand.

[mink]

A possible implementation of this would be that when clicking on one's own name while playing, there should be 3 options - stand up immediately, stand up when the hand is over, remain seated.

 

And yes, a new hand should ony be dealt if there are 4 players sitting with all connections ok. This way, it would be possible to leave without any problem if it takes too long until the table is complete again.

 

Dummy standing up of course should be totally legal, as this reduces the time the table has to wait for some other player to sit there.

 

Karl

[julie5607]

I like the idea of "leaving" options when clicking one's name as well. This would eliminate one problem that leads to abandoned hands, the faily common situation where a player announces "last hand" but, when the next hand is dealt immediately, takes a bid and says "oh, just one more" seeing a fun and interesting set of cards. Meanwhile partner, who hasn't been dealt anything nearly as fun, is gone already and the table has to sit and wait till the person with the great hand decides what to do.

 

Another possible solution to this problem is a suggestion I made quite a while ago, that of allowing a host to reserve a seat for a replacement player while it is still occupied by a player who has announced he is leaving. This would really help facilitate a smooth transition between players. If it could be implemented in conjuction with "leaving options" then the seat could be reserved for a replacement player even a few hands in advance, not actually opening up until the current player clicks on his seat. If the desired replacement player is kibitzing the table, or sitting in the lobby - even playing at another table - the system could send a message (a seat has been reserved for you at xx table, would you like to sit) and refrain from redealing until the seat is occupied. Perhaps the system could even clear the reservation if the player declines to sit.

 

I have no issue with the "boot and bail" policy - there are certainly people who do both on an abusive level and that needs to be addressed. But I also think that, instead of just implementing punitive measures, addressing ways to smooth player transitions at table, to increase the liklihood that a pick-up partnership will be reasonably well matched, and that a table will attract the correct level of player, would go a long way towards eliminating the underlying problem.

 

Julie