skorchev Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 Hi, (Sorry in advance if that is posted before!) I write this post because I feel very disappointed from the GIBs! Last days when I played in the Main Bridge Club and scored normal results I loosed lot of IMPs because of the bad play of GIB. When I write this post there are 50 tables in play with 3 GIBs at each one, 42 tables are playing IMPs, 5 tables - MPs, 2 tables - Total Points and 1 table plays Rubber. Even the appeals of the Yellows the users continue to play on IMPs and MPs. I think something must be done. For example don't allow the software to score GIB tables on IMPs/MPs. Regads,Skorchev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandal Posted September 3, 2005 Report Share Posted September 3, 2005 For example don't allow the software to score GIB tables on IMPs/MPs. Regads,Skorchev Or score only against other tables with one or more GiBs playingwould be ok. They're dull enough,and with no comparison even worse. :) -edit- no offence towards GiBs,but taking away the competitive partof bridge,like scoring and comparing,isn't a good idea for makingthe GiB "attractive".....but that's only one man's opinion ofcourse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
extrasolid Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Hello all Gibbies and Non-Gibbies, at first lets thank Fred and his staff for the great improvements in 4.2.2! The colours are much more friendly and you can see the most important information on first view. The idea to create folders for the tournies is great. The possibility of spoken language ist very fine, too. I love the new version! Now to Gib. I dont like Bots during play and so i agree to stop them from making results versus man. In chess less and less people play against machines. The Bots should only help improve our bridge. So they are useful at the bidding table ans also analysing games. But the contest is man vs man! On a "real" table you dont need them. So, at least stop them from destroying the results. And they do if they play good or bad. I you have too much worldclassplayers even good players get bad results. Ulrich Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Silly question: Has anyone studied whether GIB is substantially better or worse than other elements of the players base? I am sure that there are examples where a GIB does something stupid. Its unclear whether the introduction of the GIBs is increasing the variance in the scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandal Posted September 4, 2005 Report Share Posted September 4, 2005 Silly question: Has anyone studied whether GIB is substantially better or worse than other elements of the players base? I am sure that there are examples where a GIB does something stupid. Its unclear whether the introduction of the GIBs is increasing the variance in the scores. I don't think the GiB is the problem B) I think the problem is staying focused,and "treating" them as real opponents Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 i know gib kicks my butt quite a few times, just dont try and do something stupid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 We're testing code now to restrict deals that were played by silicon-based life forms to tables where at least one of the players is also silicon-based. Once this code has been deployed (and once existing deals have been played out), human results won't be tainted by GIB resuts (and vice versa) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asdfg2k Posted September 5, 2005 Report Share Posted September 5, 2005 I would argue for using human datum to score siliconic results. The goal of improving one's bridge can only be measured against humans. I concur that allowing the GIB results into the datum is something that humans shouldn't want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Tables where all players are human are now shielded from deals in which at least one player was a GIB. Tables where at least one player is a GIB are shielded from deals in which all players are human. In other words, if you are playing at an all-human table, you won't see any GIBs in the comparisons. If you are playing at a GIB table, you wont see anything but GIB results in the comparisons This is mostly true now, and will be completely true when all the older deals are flushed (played out--takes 15 mins to an hour or so) from the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al_U_Card Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 Man, are you guys good! This is the most valuable contribution to the addition of bots. Many thanks and selfishly, I wish you guys worked for our IT department. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 It Would Be Nice If: Bot-tables don't count for real results (done).- Bot-tables compare against real results for their comparison only. I realize that that is harder to do than what was implemented - and Well Done for that implementation! I've been looking forward to at least that shielding, for fun's sake - but IWBN. Obviously, it's CFT (Copious Free Time) priority.Michael. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted September 7, 2005 Report Share Posted September 7, 2005 You can try to talk gerardo into any kind of fancy comparison you want, using the myhands database It will be awkward to do this in realtime -- I can see how to do it but it will be difficult to do cleanly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Now that the results from GIBS and mere mortals are kept seperate it is ok to play IMPs against 3 GIBS? jb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uday Posted September 9, 2005 Report Share Posted September 9, 2005 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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