Free Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 In my local club with one of my partners, we play 1NT 14-16 balanced. Last week, I had the following hand:[hv=s=sjhxxxdaqxxxcqxxx]133|100|Scoring: MP[/hv]The bidding went:1NT - all pass. I alerted 1NT as 14-16, my hand came on the table and my LHO said my partner should alert that I can have 9HCP :) . She usually knows a lot about regulations, but this is imo insane, since it's just hand evaluation. I asked her if you play 15-17 NT if you have to alert when your partner can pass with 8HCP and she said 'yes'. Is this correct? I mean, this hand is not even close to a 9 count worth imo, but it does have 9 'HCP'... Note: no TD or anything was called, she just mentioned it and didn't make a big deal out of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Hand evaluation is not alertable of course. Only if you frequently psyche a pass with a strong hand, hoping opps will balance so you can punish them, maybe a case could be made for alerting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I think that you already know the reply to this one... Does she really think that players should respond to a 15-17 HCP 1N opening holding QxQxxQxxxQxxx or some such? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 The usual answer is that alerting regulations depend on where you are playing, so we cannot answer your question. However I can't imagine any location where the pass would be alertable. If you frequently passed a 14-16 1NT opening on 9+ HCPs and your partner frequently psyched a 1NT opening with an 8-count you'd be in trouble, but that's a different matter. There is an English regulation that you need to alert the pass if it denies a zero count. Some pairs have an agreement that they would never pass out a (weak) NT with less than a 3-count - they would try Stayman, or psyche a transfer. In that case the pass must be alerted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 The meaning of this pass is "I want you to play 1NT". It is self explainatory. It has no special meaning, it is NOT ALERTABLE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Its worth noting that I can envision cases where a pass would require an alert.Some players like to "trap pass" when competing against aggressive balancers.Its possible that your opponent was worried that you and your partner had a similar agreement. However, with the hand in question, I think that the pass is "normal" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Why not just alert every bid (or pass) lol. This is silly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerben42 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 Well you all get the Basil Fawlty prize for saying the bleeding obvious. Pass is not alertable. Duh! Side note: A 9 count with a singleton Jack is an 8 count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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