sartaj1 Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 I recall reading (probably in this newsgroup or RGB )that a 2NT opener 20-22 HCP will have 20 HCP 60 percent of the time.That doesnt feel intuitive.Can someone please clarify either way ? Note: Am cross-posting to RGB forums as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 This sounds about right. Everything else being equal, you're more likely to have a number of points close to ten. You can see from experience that hands with 12 points, say, are VERY common, whereas hands with 0 points or 20 points are few and far between. So not all numbers of points are created equal, it follows something vaguely resembling a bell-shape curve with 10 (the average) being most common. So it won't surprise you that the probabilities of holding different numbers of points look like: 20: 0.64% of hands21: 0.38% of hands22: 0.21% of hands For comparison: 9: 9.36% of hands10: 9.41% of hands11: 8.94% of hands Okay, let's suppose we have a 20-22 notrump. If we could open any 20-22 point hand in this range, the probability of exactly 20 points is equal to: Pr[20 points given 20-22] = Pr[20 points] / Pr[20 or 21 or 22] = 0.64% / 1.23% or 52%. Of course, this may be adjusted slightly by the knowledge that opener must have a balanced hand, but this honestly shouldn't be a big effect. P.S. Thanks to the ZAR book for the hcp probabilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 That calculation is right.If you want to get picky, and define a 2NT opener as 20-22 HCP with distributions- any 4432- any 4333- any 5332- any 6322 with a 6-card minor- any 5422 without both majors (which is about how I play it, obviously you can be more or less strict, and some people allow singleton honours and/or 4441s) then 20 HCP = 0.41%, 21 = 0.24%, 22=0.14%and the relative frequencies are unchanged. In my case, the percentage of 20 counts is a little higher, because the range is slightly better put as: 20-22 443220-22 433320-21 5332 / 6332 6-card minor/ 5422 without both majors which makes a 20 count about 56%, and 20-21 about 89% (I seldom upgrade 19-counts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 pfft, 50 % of the time it will have 19 :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cascade Posted September 1, 2005 Report Share Posted September 1, 2005 So you don't open with 18 very often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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