Up for a light game?

[han]

You hold AKJ96 Q9 95 K1074, IMP pairs on BBO, unfavorable, the bidding goes:

 

pass 1D 1S pass

2D Dbl 2H pass

2S pass ???

 

2D shows 5+ hearts (very unlikely 6, because your partner is me and I like to bid), perhaps 8-11 points. 2S shows a maximal passed hand, 3 spades and 5 hearts.

 

Do you agree with 2H? Do you make a move towards game?

[Guest Jlall]

certainly agree with 2H. My move for game is 4S...hehe

[whereagles]

Pard has 3 spades? I thought the idea of transfer advances was to show the 5 hearts and follow up with doubleton support...

 

But ok. If pard has something like the hand he promised, say,

 

Qxx

AKxxx

xx

xxx

 

4 should make.

[Free]

No whereagles, trf + support is considered a FSJ without the jump and usually only a 5 card suit.

 

I don't agree with 2♥, I don't have fit, so pass. Partner can retransfer with RDbl or bid something himself.

I'll bid 4♠, since my overcalls are maximum 14HCP and I'm a maximum hand.

[whereagles]

FSJ? What's that?

[Fluffy]

You need 3 working cards on partner or 2 and the ♠Q onside, this is not very likelly, but I would try with 3♦

[mike777]

3c game try, perhaps too cute but hopefully p with:

QXX

AKJXX

XXX

XX

 

WILL JUST BID GAME.

[inquiry]

3c game try, perhaps too cute but hopefully p with:

QXX

AKJXX

XXX

XX

 

WILL JUST BID GAME.

Partner can not have this hand, or he would either bid 4♠ or 3♥ (fit jump).

 

Partner rates to have five hearts (not six, no weak two), three spades. Further, partner didn't jump to 3♥ (fit jump) but bid more encouraging than a simple 2♠ raise, or an encouraging 2♥ (transfer to 2♠) raise.

 

So, what is going on? Partner wanted to tell you about his five hearts, but five no where near as good as AKJxx. In fact, Most likely, AJxxx and not KJxxx. Why? Fit jumps with Ace-empty are not usually a good idea.

 

Second, partner is encouraging you to bid on, but he could also have jumped to 3♠ over 2♥. But if you bid 2♥ with this hand, you could be MUCH worse than what you hold, so 3♥ jump by a passed hand would be a world of risky. Even with a hand you might imagine he could hold.

 

Another factor is how strong a hand partner could have for his "opening pass". Since I assume you have an agreement to open "LIGHT" (good assumption, because I know you did..and because you said "I like to bid"), forcing to game is just a bit too rich for me, but invite game is just right. The only invite that makes sense here is 3♣. Just as Mike777 suggest, and it keeps 4♠. 3NT, and imprortantly 3♠ in the picture.

[han]

Ben had this hand and bid 3C. I had xxx A10xxx AJ10 Jx and bid a straightforward 3NT. I would indeed have started with a support jump shift if I had all my values in spades and hearts.

 

4 others got to 3NT, all making. They all had the auction (1D)-1S-2H-3C-3NT. This is really ugly imo, I would never bid 3C over a natural 2H bid. Transfer advanced made the auction much smoother.

 

6 pairs got to 4S, one made it. It sure doesn't look like a good spot!

 

More than a dozen pairs stayed out of game.

[mike777]

Nicely done.

 

I hope a 1nt(8-11 hcp) response, 2nt , 3nt is not too aggressive or double dummy bidding at IMPS?

[pclayton]

I assume I implied heart tolerance when I accepted the transfer over the double?

 

Certainly this hand is FAR from a minimum overcall. I would think if pard wasn't a passed hand, we'd be making a strong move.

 

I like 3C, but I hadn't considered 3N as a game until it was mentioned.

 

WD.

[han]

Nicely done.

 

I hope a 1nt(8-11 hcp) response, 2nt , 3nt is not too aggressive or double dummy bidding at IMPS?

I don't like to respond 1NT with 3-card support. Besides, I have 5 hearts, and I can show all of this.

 

 

Also, would you bid 2NT over an 8-11 1NT response? That is quite aggressive! (perhaps this is a hand for pclayton's 2C gadget??)

[han]

I assume I implied heart tolerance when I accepted the transfer over the double?

Yes, I would think Hx or 3-card support. But notice that Free thinks that Hx is not enough when pass is available.

[Winstonm]

certainly agree with 2H. My move for game is 4S...hehe

Likewise.

[kvetcher]

FSJ? What's that?

 

 

Fit Suit Jump - a bid which shows a 5+ card suit and implies a fit (usually 4 cards if made with a jump) in partners suit

 

See Andy Robson's /Oliver Segal great book (Partnership Bidding @ Bridge)

which has chapter and verse on when and with what one uses this kind of call

 

 

Have a few aspirin available also! :)

 

 

kvetcher

[whereagles]

LOL.. if Free had said "FJ" (fit-jump), I would have understood it.

 

Anyway, I'm not sure transfer + support as a fit-bid is that good an idea. You can bid that hand with a jump to 3♥ and keep transfer + support as semi-fit with side suit. Say..

 

Qx

AKxxx

xxx

xxx

 

One of the reasons Rubens invented his transfer advances was precisely to deal with this sort of hand via transfer + support.

[Free]

I play trf jumps as mini-splinters... Don't understand why you'd use trf and support to show a doubleton support. If overcaller has a misfit in the transferred suit, he simply won't accept the transfer, and if he accepts it, you've found a decent spot :blink:

[helene_t]

FSJ? What's that?

Fit Suit Jump - a bid which shows a 5+ card suit and implies a fit (usually 4 cards if made with a jump) in partners suit

Have a few aspirin available also! :blink:

Isn't it Fit Showing Jump?

[Free]

FSJ? What's that?

Fit Suit Jump - a bid which shows a 5+ card suit and implies a fit (usually 4 cards if made with a jump) in partners suit

Have a few aspirin available also! :blink:

Isn't it Fit Showing Jump?

indeed...

[whereagles]

I play trf jumps as mini-splinters... Don't understand why you'd use trf and support to show a doubleton support. If overcaller has a misfit in the transferred suit, he simply won't accept the transfer, and if he accepts it, you've found a decent spot :rolleyes:

Well, pard is expected not to evade the transfer with doubleton support.

 

But anyway, you just play it differently than I. Nothing deeper than that.. lol

[han]

I don't see any reason to bid again with that hand either (the Qx AKxxx xxx xxx). 2H seems like a good spot.

 

I'd never make a Fit Jumpsuit with xxx in partner's suit, so there is no other way to show those hands. Perhaps you are right and this is just a difference in style, but I have only one word for that kind of FSJ: UGLY!

[mike777]

FSJ? What's that?

 

 

Fit Suit Jump - a bid which shows a 5+ card suit and implies a fit (usually 4 cards if made with a jump) in partners suit

 

See Andy Robson's /Oliver Segal great book (Partnership Bidding @ Bridge)

which has chapter and verse on when and with what one uses this kind of call

 

 

Have a few aspirin available also! :)

 

 

kvetcher

This book seems to be out of print. They are asking 50-60$ for used copies. Anyone know a bookseller still selling it for old price?

[inquiry]

For the longest times there was a PDF version of it floating around. I know that Dan Neill has or at least had it on his webpage at http://www.geocities.com/daniel_neill_2000/sys/

 

You might try that. And if that fails to work, you might try google and see if it is in the google cache somewhere. IF I remember correctly the PDF is zipped with a file name PartnershipBiddingAtBridge.Zip (the file name is same as book).

 

Now, if you find such a file, be sure to run anti-virus checks and all.....

 

There are conflicting stories about the online version. One is that it is ok to get a copy of it. The other is that it is a copyright violation to post it.