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I am a passed hand. I bid 3.

 

I couldn't open 2 or 1, I am bidding at the three level now in a new suit. This has to be a fit non-jump. Showing and a fit. This is my last non-forced bid in the auction. I have my bid, I have described my distributon and values, and very well limited my hand. It is up to partner to decide where we are going and how we are going to get there.

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Not sure, you want me to bid an unseen hand? Then why did you give us the very easy hand to bid. 3 here is automatic.

 

But I will try...ok,

 

1) Partner with minimum yuck and three card spade fit can pass or bid 4. You would have to show me what minimum yuck to pick between them. Partenr with four card spade fit will simply bid game I suspect with minimums. I would pass 4

 

2) Without a fit partner could bid 3NT, he could bid 4/5/6 . I would pass each of these bids.

 

3) partner could cue-bid , or he could cue-bid . I would take a cue-bid here as looking for control. Over 4, I would bid 4. This is not a cue-bid, this is simply denying a control. Maybe partner wanted to play in , I don't know. Over 4, I will not bid 4. I am not sure what partner is up to, but I have a control and I am quite proud of the values I promised. I suspect I would bid 5. This will show a control since I went past 4 which might be what partner had in mind. I consider 5 a "bid on" signal, not a sign-off should partner be thinking about slam. With a timid partner, not prone to making slam tries often, over 4 I would bid even higher than 5, maybe even choosing 6 pass/correct.

 

Now, do you want me to draw up ahnds?

 

S-Axx H- xx D -xx C-AJTxxx - pass 3

S-Axxx H-x D-xx C-AJTxxx - bid 4 = responder will pass

S-x H-AQx D-xxx C-AJxxxx - bid 4 = responder will pass

s-xx H-AQ D-Ax C-AJTxxx - bid 5 = responder will pass

S-AQx H-Ax D-xx C-AJTxxx - bid 4 = responder will show control, slam bid

S-AQx H-xx D-Ax C-AJTxxx - bid 4 = responder iwll bid 4 end auction

S-x H-AQx D-Axx C-AJTxxx - bid 4 = responder bid 5. you pass

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:) This thread contains lots of erudite discourse on why bidding spades must show clubs (how convenient) and how bidding spades allows one to reach a 3NT game. I am obliged to point out that raising clubs in order to show clubs leads to a 5 game that is a bit higher percentage than 3NT.
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:)  This thread contains lots of erudite discourse on why bidding spades must show clubs (how convenient) and how bidding spades allows one to reach a 3NT game.  I am obliged to point out that raising clubs in order to show clubs leads to a 5 game that is a bit higher percentage than 3NT.

Eh?? Unless you are playing with a beginner, the S bid clearly shows C. How on earth can a passed hand bid S at this level UNLESS there is C support?

 

Raising C might lead to a C game on THIS hand; bidding S can also lead to a C ontract. There are many hands you can construct where a 4S contract will be far superior to a C contract, and you won't be able to get there unless you bid S.

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Eh?? Unless you are playing with a beginner, the S bid clearly shows C. How on earth can a passed hand bid S at this level UNLESS there is C support?

I don't really disagree. The way it was explained to me about a lifetime ago was that 3 indicates a 'tolerance' for clubs. About the only possible exception would be a hand with 3 or (better) four small diamonds and a 1 or 2 loser spade sit that wasn't right for an opening 2 or 3 bid. Not a common occurance.

 

Still, bidding the ratty spades with such superb club support has to be on the edge of the envelope - not bad, but not the only decent bid. The actual hand is a sample of one suggesting that raising clubs is a viable (perhaps better) alternative. To me, 3 bespeaks fear and matchpointitis.

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Still, bidding the ratty spades with such superb club support has to be on the edge of the envelope - not bad, but not the only decent bid. The actual hand is a sample of one suggesting that raising clubs is a viable (perhaps better) alternative. To me, 3 bespeaks fear and matchpointitis.

I might suggest that you get a copy of Robson/Segal's Partnership bidding at bridge, and read the material on Fit Non Jumps. Perhaps you will choose not to play Fit Non Jumps, that is your option. But you will find that, and some other topics in that book at least intersting.

 

Far from bespeaking Fear and Matchpoints, 3S here is a textbook Fit Non Jump hand by a passed hand. Perhaps this is why new crowned world champion Justin Lall (Jlall above) said "3S for me as well." This really isn't even close, 3 is an automatic bid for anyone playing this style of bridge. And quite frankly, imho, the best meaning for this bid.

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Still, bidding the ratty spades with such superb club support has to be on the edge of the envelope - not bad, but not the only decent bid. The actual hand is a sample of one suggesting that raising clubs is a viable (perhaps better) alternative. To me, 3 bespeaks fear and matchpointitis.

Well, 10 tricks are a lot easier than 11. 4C is ok but it makes it impossible to find 4S on a 5-3 fit.

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You don't need my agreement about 3 showing a fit...but I might add that 3 is forcing.

Interesting, although I think theoretically this is wrong (as the passed hand is limited) I cannot think of a hand where I would pass 3S so I guess it is forcing, though only implicitly.

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It was clear to me that either black game was possible but I would have accepted a pass (I don't consider the 3S forcing at all) as I can see pard with a minimum hand only making 9 tricks (and not in NT).

Then perhaps you should change your agreement. How can a passed hand wish to play in a (new) 5-card suit at the 3-level after a 2 overcall by partner? Remember that West already denied 6 spades when he passed initially.

 

May I suggest that you play this as (natural) forcing with a fit to overcaller's suit. In other words: if partner doesn't like spades (at least three cards), he must bid either 4 or 5, depending on how strong his overcall was and how well he likes his hand after the 3 bid.

 

Roland

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