Splinter or WJS

[xx1943]

Hi all

 

playing splinter and wjs (WeakJumpShifts), what is the meaning of the 4♦-bid?

 

partner RHO you

...1♠..... 2♥.. 4♦

[Free]

splinter, obviously...

[Double !]

Fit bid/ raise. If fit-bid not an option, then it's a splinter.

[Echognome]

I would guess splinter as well. I say that because the only thing discussed was splinters and WJS and it doesn't make much sense to insist on diamonds when spades may be the optimal spot.

 

I agree that some people like to play fit jumps here, but would never guess that if it weren't mentioned.

[P_Marlowe]

Hi,

 

I am not sure, what the mentioning of wjs has anything

to do with the problem.

 

The main question is, what 3D whould have been?

And 2NT in this situation, i.e. would 3D be forcing

or non forcing?

 

If if was forcing => 4D is a splinter, if non forcing, ...

your guess is as good as mine. Of course you have 3H

available, always a good idea, to make a bid, which has

a clear meaning.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

[the hog]

Neither. Fit showing jump is best once the opponents intervene.

[Flame]

if we do not play fit jumps ,and 3d would be forcing then its splinter

[Fluffy]

It is fit showing jump: GF with ♦+♠ (normally 9 cards at least).

 

If you don't like this convention use splinter, I've seen it coming a couple of times, while a WJS at the 4 level is somethign I never saw.

[errline]

I like the fit jumps, but with no discussion at all, I'd assume it was a splinter.

 

Over a 2♣ overcall to one of our major, would y'all play 3♦ as a limit-or-better fit jump, and 4♦ as a splinter?

[bearmum]

I would play it as splinter B) -- I don't play fit bids

[pclayton]

Fitted. .x, xx, AQxxx, KJxxx looks about right.

 

A splinter is probably the best playing with an unknown expert.

[Al_U_Card]

Under the terms discussed, and since 3H was available for a S raise, I would expect it to be a WJS. (Much as I would have to look at my hand and think about why I have so many D.......).

 

Added advantage of not being a splinter is the opps may not be aware of their D fit (or double fit if RHO also has H) on the splinter auction. Since the WJS hand likely has few H, he is expecting his LHO to raise H and he wants to get his hand off his chest asap.

[jdeegan]

Partner has lots of forcing bids here: 3C, 3D or 3H. You have 3D for the diamond hand that fits spades. 4D is a picture bid either way you play it (a spade fit with short diamonds or a diamond preempt. I think that this is a case of what comes up the most often and is easiest to remember. So, if we play weak jump shifts in competition, that's what this bid is.

[helene_t]

As other have said: fitbid. Gives p the best clue of whether to compete to the five-level. Also good for the lead (allthough a splinter could be good for the lead as well if p happens to have the ace)

[Chamaco]

When in competition, it is IMO best practice to have only one type of splinter bid: the splinter in opps suit.

when you do have a splinter with shortness in another suit, you just use a fitbid that does not disclose if/where you have shortness.

Sometimes you lose but on balance, you free other bids for more useful meaning.

 

So basically, my view is: in this sequence, if I could choose, I'd use 4D for ANYTHING except a natural splinter.

I prefer fitshowing jump, but if you do not play it, then I'll vote for wjs.

[Guest Jlall]

Funny, he specifies they play WJS and splinter...where did he mention fit jump? He's trying to find out in the ambiguity of his agreements what this bid would likely mean. The reason he didn't mention fit jumps is because he's not playing them. This is like answering what you would respond to a weak 2 bid with when the problem specifies that partner has made a strong 2. Pretty silly, and happens all the time here.

 

Anyways...I would guess this is a splinter, but really at the table I could probably look at my hand and decide.

[Winstonm]

This is certainly a valid question with no sound agreement. What is the most frequent difficult hand to bid?

 

The splinter doesn't seem too valuable as partner will need shortness in opponent's suit which means we'll probably need a 5/5 fit to ruff off all the losers.

 

Preempting after partner has opened doesn't have a ton of merit at this level, although his opening does add a safety factor that isn't there with a preempt opposite a passing partner.

 

Basically, those seem to be the two arguments concerning either bid. Of the two, the natural limited hand use seems better. Perhaps you should try to figure out a better method?

 

Winston